EPTThats not an answer. Those champions were trash tier when that mechanic was part of their identity. That is like me making a point about something then favorably referencing Shaco and Urgot.
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Thats not an answer. Those champions were trash tier when that mechanic was part of their identity. That is like me making a point about something then favorably referencing Shaco and Urgot. | ||
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GranDim
Canada1214 Posts
On November 06 2014 09:39 PrinceXizor wrote: with how weak it'd be in the current form of the game, i really wouldn't mind it increasing the amount of lightning rather than buffing cooldown. instead of 6/10/15 maybe like 9/12/20. where it hits 3/4/5 times max per champ and increases in the amount it strikes per second to 2/3/4. 1050 (200% AP) that's better than a fully stacked syndra ult and its still a AOE stun. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 06 2014 12:17 GranDim wrote: 1050 (200% AP) that's better than a fully stacked syndra ult and its still a AOE stun. yeah it also has 150% of the cooldown, and with how the lightning finds targets you're likely never going to be hit by the full count. the lightning will never hit the same target more than once per second. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 06 2014 11:58 cLutZ wrote: Thats not an answer. Those champions were trash tier when that mechanic was part of their identity. That is like me making a point about something then favorably referencing Shaco and Urgot. Depending on how far back we care to argue this, Heimer was as god tier as it got for quite some time in pre-season and s1 while not leveling his ult until 16-17-18, and then had various peeks back into competition until his rework. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2lel5s/tsm_bjergsen_ama/ Probably the most gilded comment ever in reddit history. All because some guy said that he would eat a dick if top comment got gilded 400 times. What. The. Fuck. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2399 Posts
On November 06 2014 11:58 cLutZ wrote: Thats not an answer. Those champions were trash tier when that mechanic was part of their identity. That is like me making a point about something then favorably referencing Shaco and Urgot. Then come out with that right away instead of ranting about how you don't remember. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On November 06 2014 12:41 Lmui wrote: Holy fucking shit. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2lel5s/tsm_bjergsen_ama/ Probably the most gilded comment ever in reddit history. All because some guy said that he would eat a dick if top comment got gilded 400 times. What. The. Fuck. This really makes you think.... will reddit exist in ~19 years? | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
138% LOL | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
IPL5: 8 bans / 5 picks DH Summer: 0 bans / 2 picks Summer 2012: 1 ban / 3 picks Nerfed just after Summer 2012, I'm pretty sure this was when double/triple dorans top was popular: V1.0.0.142: General Attack animations are now more responsive. Stats Attack range reduced to 550 from 575. Then came this buff: V3.01: Slicing Maelstrom.png Slicing Maelstrom No longer has an energy cost Which resulted in this P/B record from Season 3 LCS. I didn't check KR, but he was more popular (and actually successful) over there: EU: Bans 21 Picks 11 Wins 2 Losses 9 NA: Bans 0 Picks 2 Wins 0 Losses 2 Nerfed halfway through the season: V3.9: Stats Base attack damage reduced to 47.2 from 51.3. This killed Kennen competitively. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 06 2014 13:45 miicah wrote: I don't know what drugs you guys are on talking about Kennen only being relevant S1. IPL5: 8 bans / 5 picks DH Summer: 0 bans / 2 picks Summer 2012: 1 ban / 3 picks Nerfed just after Summer 2012, I'm pretty sure this was when double/triple dorans top was popular: Then came this buff: Which resulted in this P/B record from Season 3 LCS. I didn't check KR, but he was more popular (and actually successful) over there: EU: Bans 21 Picks 11 Wins 2 Losses 9 NA: Bans 0 Picks 2 Wins 0 Losses 2 Nerfed halfway through the season: This killed Kennen competitively. PX was talking about some magical time when Kennen didn't level his ult. Which was apparently S1. Everyone knows he was good in S2 (like I said, Karth/Kennen was a popular comp), and of course Lord Flame crushed fools with Kennen S3. | ||
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Marmy
Iran1697 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 06 2014 12:33 PrinceXizor wrote: yeah it also has 150% of the cooldown, and with how the lightning finds targets you're likely never going to be hit by the full count. the lightning will never hit the same target more than once per second. At max rank you're asking for an AoE teamfight ult that does 840 +1.6 AP to everyone (plus or minus, 20 charges is 4 per champion 5) that also stuns for 1 second(or .5 is second application). The time between bolts is .25 seconds if you up the count. So that makes it take .5 seconds in order to hit twice (hit 1 is time zero) in an isolated instance and it would hit 3 times in 1 second. Yea that would be amazingly powerful. Fake edit: Kennen was killed competitively as a top laner when all the rest of the ranged tops died at the introduction of buffed Doran's shield. Prior to that he was a FOTM ADC at some point until his ranged was nerfed to 550 from 575 | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 06 2014 14:52 Goumindong wrote: At max rank you're asking for an AoE teamfight ult that does 840 +1.6 AP to everyone (plus or minus, 20 charges is 4 per champion 5) that also stuns for 1 second(or .5 is second application). The time between bolts is .25 seconds if you up the count. So that makes it take .5 seconds in order to hit twice (hit 1 is time zero) in an isolated instance and it would hit 3 times in 1 second. Yea that would be amazingly powerful. It'd be so powerful, it'd almost be as good as fiddle ulti as long as you know, you are up against less people than you hit per second, so you could actually get the full damage. because in reality even hitting 4 times a second you aren't really going to be hitting everyone all the time. also you know. it'd be half the damage and less range as fiddle ulti, no jump so no surprises, and its an unreliable spell in its randomness also it only hitting 20 times means that its not hitting 5x each champion if for some god forsaken reason their entire team stands next to you for 5 seconds. Or if you'd rather. it does 30% more damage than morgana ulti, with a longer CD, less range, and less disable (1.5 second stun vs maybe a 1 second stun, no 20% slow) and unreliable damage. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
0/5 games played, lets get this over with. Either I get gold or stay silver, doesn't matter anymore. Support only, the dream currently alive. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 06 2014 14:59 PrinceXizor wrote: It'd be so powerful, it'd almost be as good as fiddle ulti as long as you know, you are up against less people than you hit per second, so you could actually get the full damage. because in reality even hitting 4 times a second you aren't really going to be hitting everyone all the time. also you know. it'd be half the damage and less range as fiddle ulti, no jump so no surprises, and its an unreliable spell in its randomness also it only hitting 20 times means that its not hitting 5x each champion if for some god forsaken reason their entire team stands next to you for 5 seconds. Or if you'd rather. it does 30% more damage than morgana ulti, with a longer CD, less range, and less disable (1.5 second stun vs maybe a 1 second stun, no 20% slow) and unreliable damage. Hmm you're right, Kenens kit is exactly like fiddlesticks and morgana! Both at the same time even! Look Kenens w and e make his ult a pretty guaranteed stun and once someone is stunned they're getting hit with the full damage. With a single w or e hit you're asking to almost guarantee the full 1.5 second stun on the majority of targets. Your proposal is ridiculous. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On November 06 2014 16:09 cLutZ wrote: I dont get why people are so hypo on Kennen. If Rumble was nerfed and minion aggro was fixed he would probably be right back in the meta as a lane bully/dragon control champion. Like we have said over and over though, you cant autoattack in toplane anymore to harass or youll have a melee minion chase you to tower while 3+ ranged minon projectiles follow you. eh. it's not so much the minion aggro as it is the fact that the range nerf means that most top laners can retaliate to his harass pretty easily. Then on top of that, his base damage nerf means it's easy to just more or less ignore his harass if you spec properly. Kennen was a top pick because he was a huge lane bully with great teamfight. Even when he was strong, Kennen still walked a pretty thin line since he's quite squishy and can get all-in'd if he messed up. Now that his lane presence is gone, there's not much reason to pick him. If you want early dragon control or strong teamfights, you can just pick Rumble. Rumble only recently became popular again. Kennen wasn't in the meta several months ago when Rumble wasn't popular. His issues are more to do with his nerfs than anything. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
omfg look at the comments | ||
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