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ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
November 06 2014 01:14 GMT
#61
GG Ryze, that Ryze nerf is fucking huge. Now melee tops can just tank up the early levels until cowl.
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 01:31:15
November 06 2014 01:30 GMT
#62
On November 06 2014 09:43 cLutZ wrote:
I really don't remember this kennen style you guys are remembering. He always was best suited as part of an AOE team that utilized his ult. Even when Flame played the kind of style Kennen yall are talking about he still would have Ult so he could turn around 2v1s.

Flame wasn't even a known player yet I think when PX is referring to.

The last time I remember seeing a Kennen play that way was like late S1/early S2 when Korea wasn't big yet (Kennen ult lost its mana cost at the beginning of S3, so by the time you saw Flame play it, it already probably had no mana cost). Which means that it probably wasn't good given how poor people's knowledge of the game was.
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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 06 2014 01:30 GMT
#63
The changes in the dev post make sense. This forum has complained multiple times that the ap on Ohmwrecker made the item unappealing.
In addition to giving a pile of health / mana / health regeneration, Righteous Glory’s active gives a large movement speed bonus to both its user and nearby allies when moving toward enemies (or enemy turrets!) before emitting a large, high-impact shockwave that slows all nearby enemy champions.


This solution might make the item usable and is certainly what people here advocated the item should have on it. Always easier to complain before seeing the rest of the items or numbers.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 01:36:03
November 06 2014 01:35 GMT
#64
On November 06 2014 10:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 09:43 cLutZ wrote:
I really don't remember this kennen style you guys are remembering. He always was best suited as part of an AOE team that utilized his ult. Even when Flame played the kind of style Kennen yall are talking about he still would have Ult so he could turn around 2v1s.

Flame wasn't even a known player yet I think when PX is referring to.

The last time I remember seeing a Kennen play that way was like late S1/early S2 when Korea wasn't big yet (Kennen ult lost its mana cost at the beginning of S3, so by the time you saw Flame play it, it already probably had no mana cost). Which means that it probably wasn't good given how poor people's knowledge of the game was.

yeah this was on ugly rift.

On November 06 2014 10:30 JonnyLaw wrote:
The changes in the dev post make sense. This forum has complained multiple times that the ap on Ohmwrecker made the item unappealing.
Show nested quote +
In addition to giving a pile of health / mana / health regeneration, Righteous Glory’s active gives a large movement speed bonus to both its user and nearby allies when moving toward enemies (or enemy turrets!) before emitting a large, high-impact shockwave that slows all nearby enemy champions.


This solution might make the item usable and is certainly what people here advocated the item should have on it. Always easier to complain before seeing the rest of the items or numbers.

I'm just salty i started getting some serious use out of it on my smurf with vlad support.
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 01:48:51
November 06 2014 01:40 GMT
#65
On November 06 2014 09:03 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 09:01 Alaric wrote:
What. Kennen's ult is still strong enough on a single target to warrant leveling it (on top of the reach it gives him). It can also help against ganks.

240 + 1.2 AP still more than an additional level in any of his abilities, even moreso for the cost of 0 energy.

it depends. in an allin of course. but over the course of two waves? not really. you usually kept the point unskilled until you were sure you weren't ganked though. picking up the ulti at lvl 7 or 8 was typical in the situations where the jungler was focused on other lanes and you could get your tower down quickly.


link me to any game where this has happened ever. shut up. i hate you. stop posting random bullshit and spouting your silver knowledge like its actually agreed upon and confirmed true.

not leveling kennens ult has never happened.


"It depends"

ON WHAT?


putting 1 point in Q W or E is never going to come close to the 0 energy cost 240 damage ult. just please stop. i beg you, go away. stop coming here.

On November 06 2014 10:47 Requizen wrote:
Hey, sometimes you might not WANT a giant AoE stun field that has synergy with the rest of your spells and works as both kill power, anti-dive, and gank support. Sometimes having that for free on a relatively short CD sucks.



god i miss you req.

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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 06 2014 01:43 GMT
#66
Not leveling ult is kind of dumb.
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Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 01:47:14
November 06 2014 01:46 GMT
#67
Poor PX, getting his poopoo shoved in when he's right. If people don't remember or can prove otherwise please stop spreading cancerous posts. Geez.

On November 06 2014 10:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Not leveling ult is kind of dumb.


Cause that didn't happen with Jayce....
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 06 2014 01:47 GMT
#68
Hey, sometimes you might not WANT a giant AoE stun field that has synergy with the rest of your spells and works as both kill power, anti-dive, and gank support. Sometimes having that for free on a relatively short CD sucks.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 06 2014 01:48 GMT
#69
On November 06 2014 10:46 Ethelis wrote:
Poor PX, getting his poopoo shoved in when he's right. If people don't remember or can prove otherwise please stop spreading cancerous posts. Geez.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 10:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Not leveling ult is kind of dumb.


Cause that didn't happen with Jayce....

because Jayce's "ult" is the same thing as Kennen's ult?

what the fuck crack are you smoking?
It's your boy Guzma!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 06 2014 01:48 GMT
#70
On November 06 2014 10:46 Ethelis wrote:
Poor PX, getting his poopoo shoved in when he's right. If people don't remember or can prove otherwise please stop spreading cancerous posts. Geez.

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 10:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Not leveling ult is kind of dumb.


Cause that didn't happen with Jayce....

Honestly i just laugh when people post like that now. its hilarious how common it is for people to quote me, and ask a question i answer in the quote and act like im the one trolling. xD


do people still skip ulti on jayce/elise btw? i know they used to, but they aren't really in my champ pool these days. so im not up to date.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
November 06 2014 02:00 GMT
#71
the last time i remember kennen was either jiji or when people played AD
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
November 06 2014 02:06 GMT
#72
So kalista's W passive is insane

Passive: When you and you Oathsworn both basic attack the same target within 1.5 seconds, you deal 12/14/16/18/20% of their max health as magic damage (minimum 100/125/150/175/200 damage to minions). 8 second cooldown per target.

Note that that is a minimum damage, not a maximum damage. So lategame you have the strongest single baron burst in your supports auto attack. You're also going to do dragon super fast
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 06 2014 02:10 GMT
#73
On November 06 2014 10:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 09:43 cLutZ wrote:
I really don't remember this kennen style you guys are remembering. He always was best suited as part of an AOE team that utilized his ult. Even when Flame played the kind of style Kennen yall are talking about he still would have Ult so he could turn around 2v1s.

Flame wasn't even a known player yet I think when PX is referring to.

The last time I remember seeing a Kennen play that way was like late S1/early S2 when Korea wasn't big yet (Kennen ult lost its mana cost at the beginning of S3, so by the time you saw Flame play it, it already probably had no mana cost). Which means that it probably wasn't good given how poor people's knowledge of the game was.


Ahh. Well, I don't even remember Dyrus playing that style in the Famous Karth/Kennen comps of TSM and Darien/Wickd never were really Kennen players, so it has to be S1 era, which means it really was meaningless.
Freeeeeeedom
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 06 2014 02:11 GMT
#74
On November 06 2014 11:10 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 10:30 TheYango wrote:
On November 06 2014 09:43 cLutZ wrote:
I really don't remember this kennen style you guys are remembering. He always was best suited as part of an AOE team that utilized his ult. Even when Flame played the kind of style Kennen yall are talking about he still would have Ult so he could turn around 2v1s.

Flame wasn't even a known player yet I think when PX is referring to.

The last time I remember seeing a Kennen play that way was like late S1/early S2 when Korea wasn't big yet (Kennen ult lost its mana cost at the beginning of S3, so by the time you saw Flame play it, it already probably had no mana cost). Which means that it probably wasn't good given how poor people's knowledge of the game was.


Ahh. Well, I don't even remember Dyrus playing that style in the Famous Karth/Kennen comps of TSM and Darien/Wickd never were really Kennen players, so it has to be S1 era, which means it really was meaningless.

anytime you talk about kennen its pretty meaningless in the modern era.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 02:12:25
November 06 2014 02:12 GMT
#75
On November 06 2014 11:06 Goumindong wrote:
So kalista's W passive is insane

Passive: When you and you Oathsworn both basic attack the same target within 1.5 seconds, you deal 12/14/16/18/20% of their max health as magic damage (minimum 100/125/150/175/200 damage to minions). 8 second cooldown per target.

Note that that is a minimum damage, not a maximum damage. So lategame you have the strongest single baron burst in your supports auto attack. You're also going to do dragon super fast

that actually looks like an error in the tooltip,
grand majority of % hp skills have max cap on damage to monsters and minions exactly to prevent this, so they probably just made a mistake. I'd be surprised if this is actually how it works.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 06 2014 02:25 GMT
#76
On November 06 2014 11:11 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 11:10 cLutZ wrote:
On November 06 2014 10:30 TheYango wrote:
On November 06 2014 09:43 cLutZ wrote:
I really don't remember this kennen style you guys are remembering. He always was best suited as part of an AOE team that utilized his ult. Even when Flame played the kind of style Kennen yall are talking about he still would have Ult so he could turn around 2v1s.

Flame wasn't even a known player yet I think when PX is referring to.

The last time I remember seeing a Kennen play that way was like late S1/early S2 when Korea wasn't big yet (Kennen ult lost its mana cost at the beginning of S3, so by the time you saw Flame play it, it already probably had no mana cost). Which means that it probably wasn't good given how poor people's knowledge of the game was.


Ahh. Well, I don't even remember Dyrus playing that style in the Famous Karth/Kennen comps of TSM and Darien/Wickd never were really Kennen players, so it has to be S1 era, which means it really was meaningless.

anytime you talk about kennen its pretty meaningless in the modern era.


Then why the hell did you bring it up?
Freeeeeeedom
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 02:28:17
November 06 2014 02:25 GMT
#77
On November 06 2014 10:48 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 10:46 Ethelis wrote:
Poor PX, getting his poopoo shoved in when he's right. If people don't remember or can prove otherwise please stop spreading cancerous posts. Geez.

On November 06 2014 10:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Not leveling ult is kind of dumb.


Cause that didn't happen with Jayce....

because Jayce's "ult" is the same thing as Kennen's ult?

what the fuck crack are you smoking?


Do you remember the atrocity of the energy cost on kennen's ult? I mean like yeah, play him today and of course herpderp take the ult at 6, why wouldn't you...that isn't the current topic at all though...

On November 06 2014 11:25 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 11:11 PrinceXizor wrote:
On November 06 2014 11:10 cLutZ wrote:
On November 06 2014 10:30 TheYango wrote:
On November 06 2014 09:43 cLutZ wrote:
I really don't remember this kennen style you guys are remembering. He always was best suited as part of an AOE team that utilized his ult. Even when Flame played the kind of style Kennen yall are talking about he still would have Ult so he could turn around 2v1s.

Flame wasn't even a known player yet I think when PX is referring to.

The last time I remember seeing a Kennen play that way was like late S1/early S2 when Korea wasn't big yet (Kennen ult lost its mana cost at the beginning of S3, so by the time you saw Flame play it, it already probably had no mana cost). Which means that it probably wasn't good given how poor people's knowledge of the game was.


Ahh. Well, I don't even remember Dyrus playing that style in the Famous Karth/Kennen comps of TSM and Darien/Wickd never were really Kennen players, so it has to be S1 era, which means it really was meaningless.

anytime you talk about kennen its pretty meaningless in the modern era.


Then why the hell did you bring it up?


Here you go buddy


On November 06 2014 08:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 07:41 Alaric wrote:
Non-linear level scaling (on abilities mind you, not on fucking base stats) is a good thing because it introduces more liberty in ability scaling and power curves/peaks, giving you more leeway to tweak your champions and kits if done right.

There need to be more champs where not leveling ult at 6/11/16 is a legitimate option (especially since Riot reworked 2 of them for this to no longer be the case).

RIP Heimer and Sion

Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 06 2014 02:27 GMT
#78
On November 06 2014 10:48 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 10:46 Ethelis wrote:
Poor PX, getting his poopoo shoved in when he's right. If people don't remember or can prove otherwise please stop spreading cancerous posts. Geez.

On November 06 2014 10:43 Sufficiency wrote:
Not leveling ult is kind of dumb.


Cause that didn't happen with Jayce....

because Jayce's "ult" is the same thing as Kennen's ult?

what the fuck crack are you smoking?

Was never a time people skipped kennens ult, that is literally his best feature outside of harass vs melee.

Skipping Jayce ult isnt that bad. I usually do it since his other 3 skills are actually alot more important imo.
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lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
November 06 2014 02:35 GMT
#79
On November 06 2014 11:12 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 11:06 Goumindong wrote:
So kalista's W passive is insane

Passive: When you and you Oathsworn both basic attack the same target within 1.5 seconds, you deal 12/14/16/18/20% of their max health as magic damage (minimum 100/125/150/175/200 damage to minions). 8 second cooldown per target.

Note that that is a minimum damage, not a maximum damage. So lategame you have the strongest single baron burst in your supports auto attack. You're also going to do dragon super fast

that actually looks like an error in the tooltip,
grand majority of % hp skills have max cap on damage to monsters and minions exactly to prevent this, so they probably just made a mistake. I'd be surprised if this is actually how it works.


Could it be just for the first hit and both parties have to make the hit before it registers the % loss? If it were those conditions 20% would still be a lot but not too abuseable.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 06 2014 02:52 GMT
#80
Requizen, Kennen's ult actually has a long cooldown, it's a flat 120s across all levels, and since he's energy-based he's not exactly enticed to build CDR.
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