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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
November 12 2014 15:58 GMT
#581
playing the op stuff first will also help soften the learning curve because the extra ~5% you win due to champ strength will lessen the amount of frustration that builds up when you suck at a role.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 12 2014 17:24 GMT
#582
My most successful AD pick is Draven. Lol. Every game I pick Lucian I lose horribly. Go figure.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 17:29:00
November 12 2014 17:28 GMT
#583
nvm
hi
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
November 12 2014 17:33 GMT
#584
IMO, the best ADCs to start with are ezreal, Lucian and Corki.

They teach you a few fundamental things.

Laning:
All have stable matchups against other ADCs, and teach you to weave spells between autos without cancelling them.
Positioning - Lucian/Corki want to be in a position to punish either the enemy adc or support with poor positioning because they generally win any trade with auto+Q+auto. Both can punish risky last-hits very well.
Ezreal's an oddball in lane positioning since he usually wants to be on the side of the creep waves rather than behind it, relying on the threat of his Q to create space to farm.

Skirmishes/Teamfights.
All three can deal some damage from afar before joining the teamfight. All three can poke the backline while simultaneously autoing the frontline. Joining the teamfight and geting your first ~three autos off without taking CC or heavy damage is the hardest part of the teamfight. They also all have three escapes - generally speaking - Instant (flash), MS (heal), dash.

In all cases though, your job as ADC is to do as much damage as possible in a teamfight, regardless of if you're winning or losing, you should be doing close to if not the most damage on your team on these ADCs because they're so safe in teamfights.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 12 2014 17:48 GMT
#585
Don't listen to the non believers. Ashe IS OP.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
November 12 2014 17:52 GMT
#586
The real reason for Ashe as the first choice of an ADC is simply the 450 ip cost. So you don't lose much until you find out that the support does all the work anyway.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 12 2014 17:52 GMT
#587
Is the phase 1 of the SRVU out yet?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
November 12 2014 17:59 GMT
#588
On November 13 2014 02:52 Numy wrote:
Is the phase 1 of the SRVU out yet?

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/updated-summoners-rift-nears-open-beta

Once the 2014 season is officially wrapped, we’re going use a staggered rollout during preseason, pushing the updated map onto live in stages to help ensure server stability. Here’s the order for our planned rollout:

Stage 1: Team Builder and all bot games
Stage 2: All normal modes and custom games
Stage 3: Ranked

Should be in Stage 1 unless there was delays.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 12 2014 18:00 GMT
#589
On November 13 2014 02:52 Prog wrote:
The real reason for Ashe as the first choice of an ADC is simply the 450 ip cost. So you don't lose much until you find out that the support does all the work anyway.


450 IP is nice. But Ashe is legit good.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 12 2014 18:01 GMT
#590
On November 13 2014 02:59 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 02:52 Numy wrote:
Is the phase 1 of the SRVU out yet?

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/updated-summoners-rift-nears-open-beta

Show nested quote +
Once the 2014 season is officially wrapped, we’re going use a staggered rollout during preseason, pushing the updated map onto live in stages to help ensure server stability. Here’s the order for our planned rollout:

Stage 1: Team Builder and all bot games
Stage 2: All normal modes and custom games
Stage 3: Ranked

Should be in Stage 1 unless there was delays.


Was hoping someone could confirm if it's up yet. I'll just do a bot game to test then I guess.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
November 12 2014 18:45 GMT
#591
Personally, I feel the best ADCs to practice with are Caitlyn, Ezreal, and Lucian.

IMO, Cait teaches you how to last hit. Ezreal teaches you about skill shots. Lucian teaches you positioning in team fights.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 18:53:20
November 12 2014 18:53 GMT
#592
On November 13 2014 03:01 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 02:59 Gahlo wrote:
On November 13 2014 02:52 Numy wrote:
Is the phase 1 of the SRVU out yet?

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/updated-summoners-rift-nears-open-beta

Once the 2014 season is officially wrapped, we’re going use a staggered rollout during preseason, pushing the updated map onto live in stages to help ensure server stability. Here’s the order for our planned rollout:

Stage 1: Team Builder and all bot games
Stage 2: All normal modes and custom games
Stage 3: Ranked

Should be in Stage 1 unless there was delays.


Was hoping someone could confirm if it's up yet. I'll just do a bot game to test then I guess.


its not up on euw, been spamming adc in teambuilder these past two days
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 12 2014 19:33 GMT
#593
Lol, they changed the Dragon bonus.

Now first Dragon gives you +8% ap / ad.

First Dragon decides every game now, apparently. Even on just base stats that's like 400 gold. O.o
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 12 2014 19:48 GMT
#594
On November 13 2014 04:33 iCanada wrote:
Lol, they changed the Dragon bonus.

Now first Dragon gives you +8% ap / ad.

First Dragon decides every game now, apparently. Even on just base stats that's like 400 gold. O.o


So are you willing to say that 100% of the time when the first team who kills dragon will then win the game? Or is this just hyperbole?
Hey! How you doin'?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 12 2014 19:52 GMT
#595
On November 13 2014 03:53 Celial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 03:01 Numy wrote:
On November 13 2014 02:59 Gahlo wrote:
On November 13 2014 02:52 Numy wrote:
Is the phase 1 of the SRVU out yet?

http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/features/updated-summoners-rift-nears-open-beta

Once the 2014 season is officially wrapped, we’re going use a staggered rollout during preseason, pushing the updated map onto live in stages to help ensure server stability. Here’s the order for our planned rollout:

Stage 1: Team Builder and all bot games
Stage 2: All normal modes and custom games
Stage 3: Ranked

Should be in Stage 1 unless there was delays.


Was hoping someone could confirm if it's up yet. I'll just do a bot game to test then I guess.


its not up on euw, been spamming adc in teambuilder these past two days


Ah dam that sucks. Thanks for heads up.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 12 2014 20:04 GMT
#596
On November 13 2014 04:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 04:33 iCanada wrote:
Lol, they changed the Dragon bonus.

Now first Dragon gives you +8% ap / ad.

First Dragon decides every game now, apparently. Even on just base stats that's like 400 gold. O.o


So are you willing to say that 100% of the time when the first team who kills dragon will then win the game? Or is this just hyperbole?


Well, obviously not 100%, but in games gold or higher the first Dragon at 190 gold wins like 70 to 80% of games, increasing as you go higher in rank.

Clearly now first Dragon will be just as if not more important if the 8% ad / ap goes through, seeing how it pretty well doubles it's value now.


bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
November 12 2014 20:14 GMT
#597
On November 13 2014 05:04 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2014 04:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
On November 13 2014 04:33 iCanada wrote:
Lol, they changed the Dragon bonus.

Now first Dragon gives you +8% ap / ad.

First Dragon decides every game now, apparently. Even on just base stats that's like 400 gold. O.o


So are you willing to say that 100% of the time when the first team who kills dragon will then win the game? Or is this just hyperbole?


Well, obviously not 100%, but in games gold or higher the first Dragon at 190 gold wins like 70 to 80% of games, increasing as you go higher in rank.

Clearly now first Dragon will be just as if not more important if the 8% ad / ap goes through, seeing how it pretty well doubles it's value now.




The statement "the first Dragon at 190 gold wins like 70 to 80% of games" is much, much weaker than the statement that they won because of Dragon.

I would believe that the first team to take nexus turret is also strongly favored to win. This doesn't mean that the game was decided because they took the nexus turret, it's the other way around: They were probably taking the nexus turret because the game was already heavily in their favor before.

If your statement was right, all I'd need to do to gain massive ELO would be to pick a jungler that can solo Dragon rapidly and always do that at the expense of anything else (e.g. neglecting lanes and team fights entirely). I doubt that'd get me anything near a 70-80% win rate. Since I play jungle Malz anyway, it'd not even be that hard to do... :-)
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
November 12 2014 20:34 GMT
#598
How long is usually preseason?
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
November 12 2014 20:37 GMT
#599
I believe it was until mid January last year?
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 20:39:26
November 12 2014 20:38 GMT
#600
On November 13 2014 05:34 739 wrote:
How long is usually preseason?

Riot doesn't keep a set schedule, but the last preseason was near 2 months long.
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