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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 19 2014 04:06 GMT
#1401
Nah, we've already talked about that.

Pickaxe + Forbidden Idol + Vamp Scepter would be a pretty awesome build path.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 19 2014 04:10 GMT
#1402
On October 19 2014 13:01 Slusher wrote:
I loved the red post the other day about how they were thinking of adding a component for it to bulid out of when Forbidden idol is in the game, I mean am I the only one this is obvious to?

People have been calling for it since the item hit PBE. Don't understand how Riot is so deaf about it.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 04:17:53
October 19 2014 04:17 GMT
#1403
Weirdly Essence reaver is better than BT for damage because of its cost and cdr. but the shield on BT for sieges is super useful, so the buy would only be better than BT in the situations where you are extremely unlikely to use the shield on BT. though i don't know if the game will ever get refined enough on a single patch for players to figure out exactly what situations those are.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 04:39:16
October 19 2014 04:38 GMT
#1404
On October 19 2014 13:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
Weirdly Essence reaver is better than BT for damage because of its cost and cdr. but the shield on BT for sieges is super useful, so the buy would only be better than BT in the situations where you are extremely unlikely to use the shield on BT. though i don't know if the game will ever get refined enough on a single patch for players to figure out exactly what situations those are.

It's an awkward item because rushing it doesn't give you that much of a benefit, because you have neither stacked up a ton of AD(you'll have ~170 with no crit after buying it), nor do you have a large mana pool yet. If you choose not to go down that path, then realistically you won't be getting it until a 4 or 5slot item at the earliest because you'd need at minimum damage item+LW+boots before getting reaver.

I almost feel like if it restored playerlevel + 2-6% damage depending on missing mana, it'd be more useful.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 19 2014 04:49 GMT
#1405
I'd strongly consider going it first item on MF if it had the buildpath Ketara suggested (that would assume had base 8/mp5 added as well)
Carrilord has arrived.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 04:58:14
October 19 2014 04:52 GMT
#1406
On October 19 2014 13:38 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 13:17 PrinceXizor wrote:
Weirdly Essence reaver is better than BT for damage because of its cost and cdr. but the shield on BT for sieges is super useful, so the buy would only be better than BT in the situations where you are extremely unlikely to use the shield on BT. though i don't know if the game will ever get refined enough on a single patch for players to figure out exactly what situations those are.

It's an awkward item because rushing it doesn't give you that much of a benefit, because you have neither stacked up a ton of AD(you'll have ~170 with no crit after buying it), nor do you have a large mana pool yet. If you choose not to go down that path, then realistically you won't be getting it until a 4 or 5slot item at the earliest because you'd need at minimum damage item+LW+boots before getting reaver.

I almost feel like if it restored playerlevel + 2-6% damage depending on missing mana, it'd be more useful.

I'm thinking you'd buy it instead of BT in situation where the CDR and passive meant more than the shield and 10% lifesteal from BT. But i can't see many situations like that now, and with the game changing so frequently, its hard to ever hit those siutations enough times to experiment with ER over BT. and decide exactly where its best use is. The shield for BT is so good for sieging, as well as surviving long enough to counter engage that ER could maybe be good for power farming while BT is for playing objectives? i'm not sure a situation where the powerfarming would be more beneficial with the way the game is now, but there has to be some situations. it's probably also useful for the few champions that really want their ultimates available if possible, like quinn, ashe ect. I dunno i don't play on a 5s team enough to get that experience. but i don't know if anyone will, with patches changing the way and pace of the game so frequently.

very niche items and strategies tend to get thrown to the wayside when the game changes too frequently for their use to be optimized.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 19 2014 05:30 GMT
#1407
ER needs to be good without the Mana passive, that is the problem. Because its passive sucks due to relying on autoattacks.
Freeeeeeedom
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 05:47:33
October 19 2014 05:45 GMT
#1408
On October 19 2014 14:30 cLutZ wrote:
ER needs to be good without the Mana passive, that is the problem. Because its passive sucks due to relying on autoattacks.

it actually is pretty decent without the mana passive. its as much AD as BT with less lifesteal but CDR which is a hard stat to get on ADCs and its cheaper than BT. the problem is there isn't many situations where something being a bit better per gold and provides long term sustain is going to be better than an item that lets you deal 200-500 damage to a tower every wave for free. the situation i can think of is if you need to farm for the next item PAST the BT/ER before you can fight as a team. ER would help you stay out of base farming for longer than BT and help you clear jungle better. but its extremely difficult to play league in that situation i can't imagine the opportunity would come up often enough to make the audible to ER viewed as the proper choice.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 19 2014 05:49 GMT
#1409
It is of you have to hit an AD/pen breakpoint in order to have an effective poke/ auto attack game with a champion that doesn't scale on crits compared to AD
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 19 2014 06:34 GMT
#1410
On October 19 2014 07:51 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 07:24 Scip wrote:
Wait, how does blindpicking a safe middle laner relate to playing against non-meta champs not helping you practice as much as playing against meta champions?

Safe midlaner: whoever you're against, play safe and from the bacl, farm up, impact later.
Snowball-reliant midlaner: more interaction with the opposing laner, hence more exposition to the quirks and differences between each of them (including non-meta champs).

Yeah this is what I meant.
liftlift > tsm
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
October 19 2014 06:39 GMT
#1411
Guys, I'm starting to think Quinn might actually be good in solo queue. It really seems like she fills a role of being a high phys damage mobile character who can capitalize on and enhance CC-heavy teams in a way it feels like most other ranged characters can't.

idk I feel like if they buff her range to 550 she's gonna be op as shit.
:3
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 19 2014 11:45 GMT
#1412
Is BT actually good while sieging though? When you get to instant waveclear, how are you going to sustain the shield?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 19 2014 13:15 GMT
#1413
On October 19 2014 15:39 Eiii wrote:
Guys, I'm starting to think Quinn might actually be good in solo queue. It really seems like she fills a role of being a high phys damage mobile character who can capitalize on and enhance CC-heavy teams in a way it feels like most other ranged characters can't.

idk I feel like if they buff her range to 550 she's gonna be op as shit.


She definitely fits well in either top or mid lane. Don't know how she does bot, feel that's a bit of a waste of her potential personally.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 13:57:55
October 19 2014 13:54 GMT
#1414
Well, hopefully some of the changes she saw on the PBE momentarily(including said range boost) ever see the light of real play.

Just saw the title "Big props to Riot!" really quickly and read it as "Bjergsen to Riot!" and almost had a heart attack.

Reddit pls.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 19 2014 15:30 GMT
#1415
IMO what Quinn needs is slightly higher damage in her assassination combo.

She's a real good bully when she's ahead but she can't kill people if she's even a little bit behind, which is holding her back.

Ideally what I'd love to see is her W changed to a different ability as Valor that does damage.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 19 2014 15:37 GMT
#1416
Well she isn't intended to be an assassin. She has good sustained damage through her passive + Valor's steroids, and she has an AoE execution ability but that doesn't necessarily make her an assassin. She's great at dueling people, especially melee autoattackers, who tend to make up most of the splitpushers crowd, and she has good cross-map mobility through her ult along with vision with W.
She doesn't have to assassinate people, as long as she can win the lengthier 1v1s.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 19 2014 17:56 GMT
#1417
Is there some kind of new hack out? Two games in a row I have mysteriously dc:d a second after catching an adc 1v1.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 19 2014 18:45 GMT
#1418
On October 20 2014 00:30 Ketara wrote:
IMO what Quinn needs is slightly higher damage in her assassination combo.

She's a real good bully when she's ahead but she can't kill people if she's even a little bit behind, which is holding her back.

Ideally what I'd love to see is her W changed to a different ability as Valor that does damage.


Nah, Quinn's problem is that her e sucks.

If an enemy is running away you land outside of auto attack range. If the enemy is running at you you land closer than the edge of your auto range. The duration of the ability prevents you from doing dps on the way in and way out. Which is a significant duration for an AD all the while the enemy is wailing on you (especially if they're a Mage).

If they just changed is to that she could auto attack while tumbling backwards/could cancel the tumble backwards(ie choose to land closer or further away by pushing the button again) and/or the animation was snappier she would be really strong.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
October 19 2014 18:52 GMT
#1419
On October 20 2014 03:45 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2014 00:30 Ketara wrote:
IMO what Quinn needs is slightly higher damage in her assassination combo.

She's a real good bully when she's ahead but she can't kill people if she's even a little bit behind, which is holding her back.

Ideally what I'd love to see is her W changed to a different ability as Valor that does damage.


Nah, Quinn's problem is that her e sucks.

If an enemy is running away you land outside of auto attack range. If the enemy is running at you you land closer than the edge of your auto range. The duration of the ability prevents you from doing dps on the way in and way out. Which is a significant duration for an AD all the while the enemy is wailing on you (especially if they're a Mage).

If they just changed is to that she could auto attack while tumbling backwards/could cancel the tumble backwards(ie choose to land closer or further away by pushing the button again) and/or the animation was snappier she would be really strong.


E slows your target by a pretty huge amount. If you E someone and aren't CC'd yourself, you're going to get harrier off on them and probably at least one or two extra autos on top of that. I agree it's an awkward ability, though, especially when you turn into valor.
:3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 19:09:38
October 19 2014 19:07 GMT
#1420
What. Just what.
Quinn actually adjusts the distance of the leap back depending on the initial distance with the target.

But, most importantly, to prevent people from getting "trolled" by Singed/Volibear/Rammus, their QoL was a highly inelegant "interrupt" put on the target.
It starts as soon as she casts E and doesn't stop before she lands. It is, technically, a ~0.5s suppression that also stops dashes.

I'd rather we be able to see plays like a Shen taunting Quinn on reaction when she starts dashing to him (pretty fast fingers for that one) for example. In lieue of that it's the typical non-interactive Riot state that they dislike.

(Fwiw I found the Quinn changes that leaked pretty interesting. It'd seem like they go more toward a more active "tag" aspect in the gameplay, as apparently it suggested the player would be able to swap between Quinn and Valor either at will, or on a much shorter cooldown (with still the 20s duration) in exchange for losing Skystrike.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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