• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:16
CEST 07:16
KST 14:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun4[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
WardiTV Spring Cup 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review BW General Discussion Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2426 users

[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion - Page 69

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 67 68 69 70 71 157 Next
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 18 2014 19:51 GMT
#1361
On October 19 2014 04:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.

If your goal is to improve you should be looking to play a certain way based on their champion not who's playing the champion.
liftlift > tsm
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 18 2014 20:08 GMT
#1362
On October 19 2014 03:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 01:57 Eiii wrote:
On October 18 2014 22:13 Gahlo wrote:
On October 18 2014 21:26 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 18 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.

Don't know really well how it is now, but I remember the problem was that if either the Shiv part or the auto part crits, the whole would crit, meaning the chance of crit was actually twice higher than it should be.

I thought it was that if the Shiv passive crit at all, every instance in the chain would crit instead of having every instance having it's own chance to crit.


My understanding of it was that the reason shiv was so good was that its crit proc was calculated separately from the AA's crit proc, so it basically helped reduce the crit variance you'd get while autoattacking. Now that it can only crit when your autoattack does, it doesn't help smooth things out anymore.

it's still good since it's good waveclear and it provides a reasonably significant damage bump, especially since you typically get it early on, when most champs don't have a lot of magic resist.

old shiv, with the crit chance separately calculated from the auto attack, was indeed stronger because it effectively let you double dip on your crit chance with each auto. Basically, every auto attack had 2 chances to crit; the base auto and the shiv, so you effectively had slightly less than double your actual crit chance every time Shiv was up, since the effective damage of Shiv and your auto attacks were relatively similar if you get Shiv early.

Like anything that increases or decreases variance. This depends on if you're ahead or behind. If you're behind you're potentially better off with the high variance version
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
October 18 2014 20:09 GMT
#1363
If your goal is to improve you should not deprive yourself of any information in the game, otherwise you don't learn how to use this information.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 18 2014 20:23 GMT
#1364
I have champion names off. I'll look at their names in the loading screen and if it matters then I'll pay attention but more often than not, I'll have never seen them before. Therefore, I might as well hide the names in game since it takes up room on-screen.

I'm not depriving myself of any information, I'm making everything onscreen easier to read since there's less floating text that I should care about.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 20:55:54
October 18 2014 20:23 GMT
#1365
On October 19 2014 05:09 Prog wrote:
If your goal is to improve you should not deprive yourself of any information in the game, otherwise you don't learn how to use this information.

Problem with that is you end up developing a subset of skills you won't be using everytime.

Just saw qtpie land varus ulti. Best varus in the world?
Holy shit he landed 2 in a row now. Wut a god.
3 times in a row now. What a fucking based god. Okay 4 times in a row. This has got to be a world record. 5 now. Ults doing so much work.
liftlift > tsm
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 18 2014 21:00 GMT
#1366
idgi
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 18 2014 21:03 GMT
#1367
There was a Varus pick at worlds
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
October 18 2014 21:06 GMT
#1368
Pretty sure Varus ults were missed at worlds huehue
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 18 2014 21:21 GMT
#1369
On October 19 2014 06:06 JSH wrote:
Pretty sure Varus ults were missed at worlds huehue

Pretty sure he missed every ulti that game.
liftlift > tsm
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
October 18 2014 21:24 GMT
#1370
On October 19 2014 06:21 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 06:06 JSH wrote:
Pretty sure Varus ults were missed at worlds huehue

Pretty sure he missed every ulti that game.

I think he landed one!
or two
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
October 18 2014 21:35 GMT
#1371
On October 19 2014 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 05:09 Prog wrote:
If your goal is to improve you should not deprive yourself of any information in the game, otherwise you don't learn how to use this information.

Problem with that is you end up developing a subset of skills you won't be using everytime.


I don't see how that qualifies as 'problem'.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 18 2014 21:47 GMT
#1372
By that logic you shouldn't practice lane matchups because the champ you face might not be the one you practiced for.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 22:15:40
October 18 2014 22:11 GMT
#1373
On October 19 2014 06:47 phyvo wrote:
By that logic you shouldn't practice lane matchups because the champ you face might not be the one you practiced for.

To some extent that too is true. Facing non meta matchups are sort of annoying in that way too.

That's also why if you're blind picking in midlane, it's always better to choose something generic that can farm safely, and has the broadest matchup equality.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 18 2014 22:24 GMT
#1374
Wait, how does blindpicking a safe middle laner relate to playing against non-meta champs not helping you practice as much as playing against meta champions?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 18 2014 22:25 GMT
#1375
On October 19 2014 07:24 Scip wrote:
Wait, how does blindpicking a safe middle laner relate to playing against non-meta champs not helping you practice as much as playing against meta champions?


Because otherwise W2CM might lose the argument
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 18 2014 22:27 GMT
#1376
On October 19 2014 05:08 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 03:17 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 19 2014 01:57 Eiii wrote:
On October 18 2014 22:13 Gahlo wrote:
On October 18 2014 21:26 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 18 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.

Don't know really well how it is now, but I remember the problem was that if either the Shiv part or the auto part crits, the whole would crit, meaning the chance of crit was actually twice higher than it should be.

I thought it was that if the Shiv passive crit at all, every instance in the chain would crit instead of having every instance having it's own chance to crit.


My understanding of it was that the reason shiv was so good was that its crit proc was calculated separately from the AA's crit proc, so it basically helped reduce the crit variance you'd get while autoattacking. Now that it can only crit when your autoattack does, it doesn't help smooth things out anymore.

it's still good since it's good waveclear and it provides a reasonably significant damage bump, especially since you typically get it early on, when most champs don't have a lot of magic resist.

old shiv, with the crit chance separately calculated from the auto attack, was indeed stronger because it effectively let you double dip on your crit chance with each auto. Basically, every auto attack had 2 chances to crit; the base auto and the shiv, so you effectively had slightly less than double your actual crit chance every time Shiv was up, since the effective damage of Shiv and your auto attacks were relatively similar if you get Shiv early.

Like anything that increases or decreases variance. This depends on if you're ahead or behind. If you're behind you're potentially better off with the high variance version

Old shiv was bugged, not high variance. It went roll 1: if crit, both crit, if not, roll 2 to decide if shiv crits on its own.
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 18 2014 22:42 GMT
#1377
I've started playing Malzahar mid. He's good for people like me who suck, because even if you miss your last hits, you still have a chance to get it with your E! I think he's actually pretty strong in solo queue right now. Especially since so many people don't seem to realise that mikael's doesn't work on suppresses.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 18 2014 22:51 GMT
#1378
On October 19 2014 07:24 Scip wrote:
Wait, how does blindpicking a safe middle laner relate to playing against non-meta champs not helping you practice as much as playing against meta champions?

Safe midlaner: whoever you're against, play safe and from the bacl, farm up, impact later.
Snowball-reliant midlaner: more interaction with the opposing laner, hence more exposition to the quirks and differences between each of them (including non-meta champs).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 18 2014 22:54 GMT
#1379
On October 19 2014 07:51 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 07:24 Scip wrote:
Wait, how does blindpicking a safe middle laner relate to playing against non-meta champs not helping you practice as much as playing against meta champions?

Safe midlaner: whoever you're against, play safe and from the bacl, farm up, impact later.
Snowball-reliant midlaner: more interaction with the opposing laner, hence more exposition to the quirks and differences between each of them (including non-meta champs).

yeah, including non-meta champions, but not them exclusively
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 18 2014 23:08 GMT
#1380
On October 19 2014 07:42 GolemMadness wrote:
I've started playing Malzahar mid. He's good for people like me who suck, because even if you miss your last hits, you still have a chance to get it with your E! I think he's actually pretty strong in solo queue right now. Especially since so many people don't seem to realise that mikael's doesn't work on suppresses.


i dread the day malzahar shows up in pro games
i may actually quit the game after the following nerf
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Prev 1 67 68 69 70 71 157 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 249
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6095
GuemChi 5860
Pusan 307
ProTech102
910 61
Dewaltoss 11
soO 9
ZergMaN 7
Icarus 7
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1909
Stewie2K1073
m0e_tv627
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King151
Other Games
summit1g7285
C9.Mang0527
RuFF_SC2105
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1008
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream242
Other Games
BasetradeTV228
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1340
• Stunt752
Upcoming Events
GSL
4h 15m
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
18h 45m
GSL
1d 4h
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
KCM Race Survival
1d 4h
Big Gabe
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
IPSL
4 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Snow vs Flash
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-28
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.