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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 18 2014 11:00 GMT
#1341
I interpreted it as a GP q that crit both on hit and on shiv proc lol
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 18 2014 11:13 GMT
#1342
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
October 18 2014 11:18 GMT
#1343
Wish Riot would fix that bug where you don't get multi kills when you are on a spree/rampage/whatever. I get a triple as jayce, get the 4th kill about 10 seconds later (10 seconds max, might have been less) and it just says 'rampage' or whatever the fuck it is instead of quadra kill.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 18 2014 11:44 GMT
#1344
Its timed from the first kill I believe
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 18 2014 11:48 GMT
#1345
So I just played a match where me and the other top were literally 0/0/0 the entire match. HIGH IMPACT TOP LANING COMING THROUGH
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 18 2014 11:52 GMT
#1346
On October 18 2014 20:48 Fusilero wrote:
So I just played a match where me and the other top were literally 0/0/0 the entire match. HIGH IMPACT TOP LANING COMING THROUGH

Glorious top lane island meta.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 18 2014 11:55 GMT
#1347
God I love toplane. Everyone secretly wishes league was single player.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 18 2014 12:08 GMT
#1348
On October 18 2014 20:55 Osmoses wrote:
God I love toplane. Everyone secretly wishes league was single player.

Why do you think jungler's exist?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 18 2014 12:10 GMT
#1349
On October 18 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 20:55 Osmoses wrote:
God I love toplane. Everyone secretly wishes league was single player.

Why do you think jungler's exist?


A common enemy to blame in order to unite the other 4 players?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 18 2014 12:10 GMT
#1350
No idea, all they do is ruin my good time!
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 18 2014 12:26 GMT
#1351
On October 18 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.

Don't know really well how it is now, but I remember the problem was that if either the Shiv part or the auto part crits, the whole would crit, meaning the chance of crit was actually twice higher than it should be.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
October 18 2014 13:13 GMT
#1352
On October 18 2014 21:26 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.

Don't know really well how it is now, but I remember the problem was that if either the Shiv part or the auto part crits, the whole would crit, meaning the chance of crit was actually twice higher than it should be.

I thought it was that if the Shiv passive crit at all, every instance in the chain would crit instead of having every instance having it's own chance to crit.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 18 2014 15:29 GMT
#1353
shiv lightning proc coded as minions
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
October 18 2014 16:57 GMT
#1354
On October 18 2014 22:13 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 21:26 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 18 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.

Don't know really well how it is now, but I remember the problem was that if either the Shiv part or the auto part crits, the whole would crit, meaning the chance of crit was actually twice higher than it should be.

I thought it was that if the Shiv passive crit at all, every instance in the chain would crit instead of having every instance having it's own chance to crit.


My understanding of it was that the reason shiv was so good was that its crit proc was calculated separately from the AA's crit proc, so it basically helped reduce the crit variance you'd get while autoattacking. Now that it can only crit when your autoattack does, it doesn't help smooth things out anymore.
:3
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 18 2014 18:03 GMT
#1355
I have to say that InvertedComposer's Yorick build is pretty damn silly, at least for solo q.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 18:20:47
October 18 2014 18:17 GMT
#1356
On October 19 2014 01:57 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 22:13 Gahlo wrote:
On October 18 2014 21:26 -Zoda- wrote:
On October 18 2014 20:13 Alaric wrote:
Iirc the way it's coded makes it so either attack+shiv both crit, or both don't.
I know it was changed in a patch at some point but I can't remember if they dissociated it or if it's like that atm.

Don't know really well how it is now, but I remember the problem was that if either the Shiv part or the auto part crits, the whole would crit, meaning the chance of crit was actually twice higher than it should be.

I thought it was that if the Shiv passive crit at all, every instance in the chain would crit instead of having every instance having it's own chance to crit.


My understanding of it was that the reason shiv was so good was that its crit proc was calculated separately from the AA's crit proc, so it basically helped reduce the crit variance you'd get while autoattacking. Now that it can only crit when your autoattack does, it doesn't help smooth things out anymore.

it's still good since it's good waveclear and it provides a reasonably significant damage bump, especially since you typically get it early on, when most champs don't have a lot of magic resist.

old shiv, with the crit chance separately calculated from the auto attack, was indeed stronger because it effectively let you double dip on your crit chance with each auto. Basically, every auto attack had 2 chances to crit; the base auto and the shiv, so you effectively had slightly less than double your actual crit chance every time Shiv was up, since the effective damage of Shiv and your auto attacks were relatively similar if you get Shiv early.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 18 2014 18:26 GMT
#1357
Well, your shiv proc double dipped, your actual autoattack didn't.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 18 2014 18:30 GMT
#1358
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2jm1vg/bug_sions_w_replaces_whole_teams_own_w/
So there's a bug that makes the entire team have sion's W. That's actually impressive
Glorious SEA doto
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 18 2014 19:03 GMT
#1359
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 18 2014 19:46 GMT
#1360
On October 19 2014 04:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
not sure how this turning player name off thing came about but it's pretty dumb. You shouldn't be playing the same way vs. everyone especially if you have past history to rely on.

I find that the name is clutter. Granted I'm not high enough to play against the same people every game. I don't change my decisions based on who i am playing against because I don't meet them enough.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
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