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WiseBagus
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada452 Posts
November 04 2014 20:42 GMT
#3021
Why doesn't riot ever release numbers on their reveal pages?
"When you come at the King, you best not miss"
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
November 04 2014 20:42 GMT
#3022
On November 05 2014 05:30 Kinie wrote:
Next champion's revealed.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/kalista-spear-vengeance-revealed

Edit:

First impressions: she's an ADC, what? Her AA range seems so short. That passive seems insane though, literally a free move/hop (like Ezreal E or Flash) after you AA something. But it looks like she won't be able to go over/through walls with it, so maybe not as strong as Flash or Ezreal E. The ult is going to troll people so damn hard. Definitely a champ you can't just pick in solo Q, this requires way too much coordination for a pub game.

Unless her numbers on Q and E are off the walls insane, I can't see her being much more than Quinn-tier in terms of how good/bad of an ADC she is.


She doesn't need to come melee to use half of her skills and she's hardcore lane bully if your Nami/Janna/otherlanedominantsupport knows what's up.
Can't wait for soloqueue suffering and whine in chat about ultimate.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 04 2014 20:43 GMT
#3023
On November 05 2014 05:42 WiseBagus wrote:
Why doesn't riot ever release numbers on their reveal pages?

She's not even on the PBE, and stuff like champion spotlights avoid mentioning numbers too because it's more about the design intent and playstyle than numbers that will probably get changed shortly after.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
November 04 2014 20:44 GMT
#3024
On November 05 2014 05:37 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:30 Kinie wrote:
Next champion's revealed.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/champion-reveal/kalista-spear-vengeance-revealed

Shes super hamfisted into a role, and has a ton of recycled abilities. seems about right.


Not so 100% sure of the set-role stuff. Of course they want you to be an ADC with a linked support given their words, but it may very well be worth it to sack the W damage potential in lane to provide better ganks and safety for one of your off-laners.

If the mana cost on E is low enough, like it appears to be in the video, then I could see Kalista working in the jungle easily enough given that the spears stack infinitely.

I play Ashe and jungle Gnar though so maybe I just have weird taste
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
November 04 2014 20:47 GMT
#3025
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 20:47:44
November 04 2014 20:47 GMT
#3026
On November 05 2014 05:42 Alaric wrote:
I don't know whether that's cool or if I should sigh at their focus on some more mobility creep.

I think just coyly smile at how there will inevitably be more use for her ulti on a support or jungler than on an adc role.and with her passive she might actually be able to jungle.

even though everything about her screams i want you to play me as an adc.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 04 2014 20:47 GMT
#3027
That ult seems literally guaranteed to go wrong in so many ways in lomoQ
Glorious SEA doto
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 04 2014 20:50 GMT
#3028
On November 05 2014 05:47 Fusilero wrote:
That ult seems literally guaranteed to go wrong in so many ways in lomoQ

Guaranteed to troll your initiator 100% of the time all the time!

I wonder if you can buy more of her special item to change your soul-bound buddy? What's the range on the ult? Can I soul-bound my jungler and drag them to bot lane for MEGAGANKS?

She seems cool but I wonder how fluid her kit is going to feel in the long run. I also wonder how many stacks you need on Rend before it one-shots the target.
It's your boy Guzma!
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
November 04 2014 20:54 GMT
#3029
On November 05 2014 05:16 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:02 cLutZ wrote:
They need to fix his flip. It goes the wrong way like 20% of the time.

They need to buff his ult back to reduce disables, it feels so lame to use now.

they did buff his level 3 ult a bit but I think they should just add back the tenacity. I could see why it was op when they nerfed but every new champ since then has a built in escape.
Moar banelings less qq
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 21:04:32
November 04 2014 20:59 GMT
#3030
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool

If the ult is actually global, she essentially has the ability to turn any champ into a split-pusher because she can pull them instantly out of trouble even if they get stunned (think Wisp from DotA and the ratting that entails).

I'd guess it's not global based on the detailed description and the fact that that's way outside what Riot would consider to be an acceptable power level for that ability. Even semi-global it would be really bullshit.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
November 04 2014 21:02 GMT
#3031
On November 05 2014 05:43 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:42 WiseBagus wrote:
Why doesn't riot ever release numbers on their reveal pages?

She's not even on the PBE, and stuff like champion spotlights avoid mentioning numbers too because it's more about the design intent and playstyle than numbers that will probably get changed shortly after.

Either way, patch is tomorrow so she'll get put up sometime tonight or tomorrow methinks.

I think she's pretty cool. Internet, Nephenee custom skin pls.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 21:05:27
November 04 2014 21:04 GMT
#3032
They basically gave her a conditional Kotl recall. It being global would be cool as you can only do it on one person anyway.

On November 05 2014 05:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool

If the ult is actually global, she essentially has the ability to turn any champ into a split-pusher because she can pull them instantly out of trouble even if they get stunned (think Wisp from DotA and the ratting that entails).

I'd guess it's not global based on the detailed description and the fact that that's way outside what Riot would consider to be an acceptable power level for that ability. Even semi-global it would be really bullshit.


It's more Kotl than Wisp tbh. Wouldn't even say we see much Wisp ratting aside from the Tiny 1 shot all buildings base race.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 04 2014 21:05 GMT
#3033
I wonder if that circle in the video is the range on it - seems likely imo
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 21:06:54
November 04 2014 21:06 GMT
#3034
On November 05 2014 06:05 Requizen wrote:
I wonder if that circle in the video is the range on it - seems likely imo

That was my guess.

On November 05 2014 06:04 Numy wrote:
They basically gave her a conditional Kotl recall. It being global would be cool as you can only do it on one person anyway.

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:59 TheYango wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool

If the ult is actually global, she essentially has the ability to turn any champ into a split-pusher because she can pull them instantly out of trouble even if they get stunned (think Wisp from DotA and the ratting that entails).

I'd guess it's not global based on the detailed description and the fact that that's way outside what Riot would consider to be an acceptable power level for that ability. Even semi-global it would be really bullshit.


It's more Kotl than Wisp tbh. Wouldn't even say we see much Wisp ratting aside from the Tiny 1 shot all buildings base race.

Except KotL Recall is disabled by combat, which means theres a lot of bullshit situations where Wisp gets you out and KotL doesn't. Hence the comparison.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 04 2014 21:06 GMT
#3035
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool


Nah, its basically a thresh lantern into Pulverize. Since she is allegedly an ADC, its a self-peel ability which you use to get your peeler closer to you to peel.
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 04 2014 21:07 GMT
#3036
On November 05 2014 06:06 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool


Nah, its basically a thresh lantern into Pulverize. Since she is allegedly an ADC, its a self-peel ability which you use to get your peeler closer to you to peel.

Or you wait for your Malphite/Amumu/Zac to initiate and then pull them back.
It's your boy Guzma!
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 21:08:39
November 04 2014 21:07 GMT
#3037
It being global might have some absurd effects on top lane though, imagine if champions like jax, irelia or nasus were no longer restrained by TP cooldown and position of enemy top when they splitpush because kalista can just throw them into the fight if they're needed.
On November 05 2014 06:07 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:06 cLutZ wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool


Nah, its basically a thresh lantern into Pulverize. Since she is allegedly an ADC, its a self-peel ability which you use to get your peeler closer to you to peel.

Or you wait for your Malphite/Amumu/Zac to initiate and then pull them back.

It'd probably be more useful for assassins, they go in. Blow someone up then kalista bails them.
Glorious SEA doto
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 04 2014 21:08 GMT
#3038
I rewatched it and it's hard to tell if that circle is just the cast radius or also the radius your ally must be. If it's both I don't really get the purpose of it.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 04 2014 21:08 GMT
#3039
On November 05 2014 06:07 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:06 cLutZ wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool


Nah, its basically a thresh lantern into Pulverize. Since she is allegedly an ADC, its a self-peel ability which you use to get your peeler closer to you to peel.

Or you wait for your Malphite/Amumu/Zac to initiate and then pull them back.


Or that, but that does "waste" half the spell's utility.
Freeeeeeedom
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-04 21:10:23
November 04 2014 21:09 GMT
#3040
On November 05 2014 06:07 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:06 cLutZ wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:47 RagequitBM wrote:
Did I misread her ult. It looks like it gives a team mate TF ult, and then gives them a malphite ult after. That's pretty cool


Nah, its basically a thresh lantern into Pulverize. Since she is allegedly an ADC, its a self-peel ability which you use to get your peeler closer to you to peel.

Or you wait for your Malphite/Amumu/Zac to initiate and then pull them back.


Ult is targeted by those pocket Lifestealers, it seems.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
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