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On September 24 2014 22:09 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 21:43 Gahlo wrote:On September 24 2014 16:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
Frankly the fact they are spending hundreds of thousands to develop new systems to punish players in new ways instead of spending that money improving server strength, helping prevent the DDOS attacks, helping reward the positive players (which has been proven to help people change behavior far more than punishments) should speak volumes about riot's priorities. Citation Needed. do you really need a citation to determine that the couple dozen people they have hired in that department are paid hundreds of thousands combine?
They're going to need that staff anyway, regardless of server status. So what they get payed isn't even part of the equation. If, for example, that fixing server issues was part of that staffs job then you could say at least a portion of their pay is being misused. However, given who these people actually are they would probably make the server issues worse if they were pressed into service for it.
It's the stupidest fucking argument people use when they're upset with how Riot is doing something. Complaining that Player Behavior isn't working on Live Tech Support is as asinine and foolish as when people complain that the modelers, artists, and SFX creator work on relaunches instead of fixing balance issues for X champion that constantly wrecks them because they want to go full anime and attack the same problem the same damn way where they think they should win if they just try harder.
What the carpenter is doing when you bitch about shoddy masonry doesn't fucking matter.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:09 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 21:43 Gahlo wrote:On September 24 2014 16:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
Frankly the fact they are spending hundreds of thousands to develop new systems to punish players in new ways instead of spending that money improving server strength, helping prevent the DDOS attacks, helping reward the positive players (which has been proven to help people change behavior far more than punishments) should speak volumes about riot's priorities. Citation Needed. do you really need a citation to determine that the couple dozen people they have hired in that department are paid hundreds of thousands combine?
I typed up a response here but then realized who I'm responding to. Please no one else feed this troll either. Poe's Law in action right here.
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We are all waiting for the day where PX posts something of actual substance.
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On September 24 2014 22:53 Gahlo wrote:
They're going to need that staff anyway, regardless of server status. So what they get payed isn't even part of the equation. If, for example, that fixing server issues was part of that staffs job then you could say at least a portion of their pay is being misused. However, given who these people actually are they would probably make the server issues worse if they were pressed into service for it.
It's the stupidest fucking argument people use when they're upset with how Riot is doing something. Complaining that Player Behavior isn't working on Live Tech Support is as asinine and foolish as when people complain that the modelers, artists, and SFX creator work on relaunches instead of fixing balance issues for X champion that constantly wrecks them because they want to go full anime and attack the same problem the same damn way where they think they should win if they just try harder.
What the carpenter is doing when you bitch about shoddy masonry doesn't fucking matter.
would they need all of that staff if they weren't developing so many punishment systems? probably not. they still decided to focus on punishment rather than reward as i said. they made that decision. you don't get to pick one part of what i said to try to discredit all of it.
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On September 24 2014 20:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
Riot doesn't want to implement the proper systems that will helpw ith people raging and being dicks, they'd rather this system as it is, shaming them and encouraging the community to do so by example (there is 0 reason for ANYONE in charge of managing customers to publicly shame and berate a customer like the way lyte does. it can easily be handled privately, but they choose not to, encouraging others to do the same by example). The current system of chat restrictions and tribunal encourage smurf account and with it, extra cash spent on RP for boosts/rune pages/champs.
The only people who are publicly shamed are people who publicly said "I did nothing wrong. Riot banned me for no reason". You can email support if you don't want it handled publicly.
I don't see how chat restrictions encourage smurfs. They do it less than bans because a lot of people would just smurf while they were banned, but a chat restriction requires you to play on your main for it to go away.
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On September 24 2014 23:36 droserin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 20:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
Riot doesn't want to implement the proper systems that will helpw ith people raging and being dicks, they'd rather this system as it is, shaming them and encouraging the community to do so by example (there is 0 reason for ANYONE in charge of managing customers to publicly shame and berate a customer like the way lyte does. it can easily be handled privately, but they choose not to, encouraging others to do the same by example). The current system of chat restrictions and tribunal encourage smurf account and with it, extra cash spent on RP for boosts/rune pages/champs. The only people who are publicly shamed are people who publicly said "I did nothing wrong. Riot banned me for no reason". You can email support if you don't want it handled publicly. I don't see how chat restrictions encourage smurfs. They do it less than bans because a lot of people would just smurf while they were banned, but a chat restriction requires you to play on your main for it to go away.
Right, but riot could take the high road and do it privately, but they do it publicly. which only encourages more people to demand riot look at THEM for attention, and then lyte does it again. Eventually all people see is lyte doing this and cheer for him while giving attention to people clearly trying to seek it. There is a reason you aren't supposed to do that. for someone who is supposed to be the head of player behavior he doesn't seem to understand that, or if he does, he doesn't care or has more fun shaming them than he cares about preventing further attention seekers. It also creates a culture of if someone complains about riot, they are guilty of SOMETHING, we just don't know what yet.
and yeah tribunal encourages smurfs much more, chat restriction just encourages grinding Co-op vs AI games and botting.
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United States47024 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:11 Ketara wrote:
We are all waiting for the day where PX posts something of actual substance.
Ketara, your posting history isn't much better.
Roffles just isn't here to tell you off anymore.
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Tbh, we've been collectively a bunch of shitters in GD threads for quite a long time now.
*we've collectively been?
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
That chat restriction is such a bullshit... I've actually never played even a single normal/dominion/other game than ranked for the whole season (and I've played about 850 ranked games) and I'm not willing to, because I just don't have that much free time as I used to have before, so I'm playing about 1-2 ranked games daily or few more if it's weekend and wasting my time to play normal games, because of ranked restriction is retarded. I'd actually go normal game and just afk just to get it done, if I'll ever get the restriction.
I don't actually flame people in game, but some of them will just report you for nothing, or not ganking their lane when you're playing jungle or some other bullshit.
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You realise that if you go afk you're just going to get your restriction renewed if you go afk in the normals you "play" to get rid of it, right?
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
So just sit on lane for the whole game, don't contest in teamfights or something, dunno but it's a retarded idea and punish players that are playing ranked-only games.
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On September 25 2014 00:03 Alaric wrote:
You realise that if you go afk you're just going to get your restriction renewed if you go afk in the normals you "play" to get rid of it, right?
actually afks don't affect chat restriction, even being reported for it doesn't do anything. but if you have a leave you don't get that game to count.
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On September 24 2014 23:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 23:11 Ketara wrote:
We are all waiting for the day where PX posts something of actual substance. Ketara, your posting history isn't much better. Roffles just isn't here to tell you off anymore.
This made me laugh.
My posting history in GD is better than yours Yango.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On September 25 2014 00:04 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 00:03 Alaric wrote:
You realise that if you go afk you're just going to get your restriction renewed if you go afk in the normals you "play" to get rid of it, right? actually afks don't affect chat restriction, even being reported for it doesn't do anything. but if you have a leave you don't get that game to count.
So just afk whole game and alt+tab to LoL client to move from time to time.
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On September 25 2014 00:04 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 23:46 TheYango wrote:On September 24 2014 23:11 Ketara wrote:
We are all waiting for the day where PX posts something of actual substance. Ketara, your posting history isn't much better. Roffles just isn't here to tell you off anymore. This made me laugh. My posting history in GD is better than yours Yango.
A cursory check appears to indicate lack of veracity in this statement
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Mods patting themselves on the back :-/.
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On September 24 2014 23:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 23:11 Ketara wrote:
We are all waiting for the day where PX posts something of actual substance. Ketara, your posting history isn't much better. Roffles just isn't here to tell you off anymore.
damn
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Pretty sure my posting history in this thread is terrible. But that's because this thread drags you violently down with it in its descent to hell
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it's definitely unfair to equate ketara's posting with PX's. while i disagree with their posts probably at around the same frequency, there is much less of a trolly, antagonistic vibe to what ketara says.
also, while it is ludicrous for ketara to claim his posting history outshines theyango's, unfortunately theyango's high quality posting history seems to be just that, history. like many a great rap artist before him, he appears to have fallen off and is now coasting by on reputation only. it's been a long ass time since anyone has been illuminated by some well thought out and mathematically sound yango theorycraft.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Yango's posting history is somewhat overrated. He did (does) have common sense which, despite its name, isn't as common as one would hope, but it's nothing particularly spectacular either.
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