EPT[Patch 4.16] Azir General Discussion - Page 96
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 24 2014 19:43 Maluk wrote: In Stacraft 2 you don't have a red, obvious "report" icon right next to your opponents and allies' names. It really isn't the only way to implement a "report" button in a game interface. We are used to playing LoL so we don't notice it any more but I remember that it was very weird to me when I first played LoL. When I landed on the post-game screen I told my friends "what the fuck ? The most obvious button in the whole interface is to report people ?" Starcraft is primarily a 1v1 game. It's not the same thing. Incidentally, the biggest buttons are play again, home and send. The add friend, mute and honour buttons are just as big as report. Where else would it possibly go? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 24 2014 19:38 Parnage wrote: -Well you see Maluk, when a very very very stupid person says he didn't do anything and then it's proven he infact not only did those things but much worse. His entire point makes him look like an idiot, and because that person made the choice to do so in an open forum and call out and say they are a victim of being unjustly banned.. People are going to make fun of you and enjoy themselves are your expense. That's not some Riot conspiracy. That's human nature. -Because they hype all features they put in? At one point, they even hyped dominion. Crazy I know. -What? I must of missed the Riot memo mailed to us mouthpiece players about terms and double meanings. Because... where else would you put it in a place easy to reach? Should it be like on a website or something? Your complaint is that it's too easy to find or.. what? when a very very very stupid person decides to play a game and act like they know what they are doing and then its proven he infact not only doesn't know, but doesn't blames others. his entire point makes him look like an idiot, and because that person made the choice to do so in a public game, and call out and say they are the victim of a bad team. people are going to make fun of you and enjoy themselves are your expense. Thats not something that should be punishable, that's human nature.  if they wanted to curb people tilting and raging in games, they'd put a "cooldown" on queuing for games. if you get reports, you get longer cooldowns, taking time away from the game inbetween matches helps calm you down and you don't get frustrated as much. but they cuts into profits. if people know they can't play as often they won't buy as much RP. meanwhile you never know you are going to be banned or chat restricted, it kinda just...happens. often a couple days after you did anythign wrong. same with tribunal, you don't get told immediately about the tribunal it kinda just happens a week or so after the fact. there are numerous people that have gotten no chance to change their behavior inbetween their warning and first ban, because they happened back to back, the warning showed up, and then the next day the 2nd tribunal case came in and they were banned. that doesn't happen anymore because no tribunal. Riot doesn't want to implement the proper systems that will helpw ith people raging and being dicks, they'd rather this system as it is, shaming them and encouraging the community to do so by example (there is 0 reason for ANYONE in charge of managing customers to publicly shame and berate a customer like the way lyte does. it can easily be handled privately, but they choose not to, encouraging others to do the same by example). The current system of chat restrictions and tribunal encourage smurf account and with it, extra cash spent on RP for boosts/rune pages/champs. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Of course when you twist words and statements to fit your own nonexistent narrative I can see how you might forget such details or just forgo them entirely. But don't worry, I'm obviously just part of the Riot Defense Force here to make sure no one finds out about the secret banned player prison camps. Odd how everything seems to boil down to this hatred for Riot. No other company would ever berate customers? Odd, Spirit Airlines seems to be doing just fine for insulting it's customers because they feel the prices are so low they don't have to care about complaints. Conversely any company will gladly kick out unruly/disruptive customers because it makes others not want to be around if they have to deal with crazy. Again, walk into any store and start shouting at another patron calling them names you will be escorted out and possibly banned. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 24 2014 20:17 Parnage wrote: Odd you seem to be missing the part in which someone started cursing this person out and making comments on that persons sexuality for twenty minutes on the basis of a single game they interacted with. That for one makes one hell of a good game for the nine other players. Doesn't it? Of course when you twist words and statements to fit your own nonexistent narrative I can see how you might forget such details or just forgo them entirely. But don't worry, I'm obviously just part of the Riot Defense Force here to make sure no one finds out about the secret banned player prison camps. you don't know WHAT they did. thats the point. someone can be reported for anything someone deems as harassment. period. an automated system does not know the difference between someone being overly sensitive because they are young/old/tilting/tired and someone legitimately being harassed. No one comes up to and says "parnage, this guy was just reported for X do you think its deserved?" its up to the individual player to determine what THEY decide is report worthy. and for some people when they are in a bad mood, its not much. and if they are in a good mood, they can take a lot more shit from people. Making up something like saying oh, if you are reported you MUST be guilty of cursing someone out and going way too far is silly. we don't know exactly why every person is reported, so you can't treat them all the same. Its like people suspected (not accused formally) of a crime being treated as guilty by everyone before its actually investigated. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On September 24 2014 19:05 PrinceXizor wrote: i challenge you to play on an account, get chat restricted, and then play regularly on that account and not get chat restricted for the rest of the season. its much more work to do that than to just not get chat restricted in the first place. its at the level of McCarthyism in how much it can ruin your ability to play the game normally. if you've ever played a game on a chat restricted account and mentioned you are chat restricted, you just made a mistake people will harrass and blame you if the game goes poorly, and if it goes well they don't care. the community is far worse to players being punished by riot than the players are to the community. .A few points of clarification since I don't know fucking anything about chat restriction: How many lines of text am I allowed(is it per minute? per game?)? Can I ping? Is it a number of games(I definitely won't spam games, that's never been how I played League) or some "point" system to get me back into good standing? I kind of want to do this, but I'm guessing I'd have to play(and be an asshole) in a bunch of games just to get restricted, and then a bunch more to get unrestricted, and I don't plan on playing very many games of League. Anyone have a chat restricted account they want to donate? On September 24 2014 20:22 PrinceXizor wrote: you don't know WHAT they did. thats the point. someone can be reported for anything someone deems as harassment. period. an automated system does not know the difference between someone being overly sensitive because they are young/old/tilting/tired and someone legitimately being harassed. No one comes up to and says "parnage, this guy was just reported for X do you think its deserved?" its up to the individual player to determine what THEY decide is report worthy. and for some people when they are in a bad mood, its not much. and if they are in a good mood, they can take a lot more shit from people. Making up something like saying oh, if you are reported you MUST be guilty of cursing someone out and going way too far is silly. we don't know exactly why every person is reported, so you can't treat them all the same. Its like people suspected (not accused formally) of a crime being treated as guilty by everyone before its actually investigated. This is where the anecdotal evidence of all the "I'm toxic but have never even been reported" people comes into play though. You don't get chat restricted, or fucking rank restricted(which is going to be a higher tier offense/punishment), without actually doing some bad shit. That has pretty much been proven by a massive amount of anecdotal evidence and Riot red posts outing those who claim to be the 'wrongfully restricted' ones. There are better things to use as a defense/argument against this system than the "I swear I wasn't bad" rabbit hole of bullshit. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Maluk
France987 Posts
On September 24 2014 20:17 Parnage wrote: Odd how everything seems to boil down to this hatred for Riot. I just want to point out that Riot is only showing the way towards report abuse and "toxic players" paranoia ; the community whole-heartedly follows suit (reddit is a good example) and can be blamed too. I think the reddit guy who posts something about a toxic player being banned is just as pathetic as Riot Ryze. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 24 2014 20:25 red_ wrote: .A few points of clarification since I don't know fucking anything about chat restriction: How many lines of text am I allowed(is it per minute? per game?)? Can I ping? Is it a number of games(I definitely won't spam games, that's never been how I played League) or some "point" system to get me back into good standing? I kind of want to do this, but I'm guessing I'd have to play(and be an asshole) in a bunch of games just to get restricted, and then a bunch more to get unrestricted, and I don't plan on playing very many games of League. Anyone have a chat restricted account they want to donate? You get 3 messages at the start, no all chat period but you can still see it if enabled, about 2 lines of chat per message (essentially a tweet), and 1 message every 4 minutes until 20 minutes and then its every 6 minutes? and a cap of 5 messages allowed at a time. so no banking them. its a flat number of games, 3 at the first restriction and then increasing every time, regardless of distance between restrictions. a restriction from 4 months ago counts toward the next level of restriction. pings are fine, but more limited in number than normal. i think its 5 in quick succession rather than 7 or 8? good standing is obfuscated but riots officially stated "you have to be more positive than negative" and that "game related chat is neutral". and its lifetime. | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
Edit : classic example. If you say "too bad" after one of your allies almost gets a kill and is unable to finish it off or dies, a lot of people on EUW will think that you're telling them that they suck. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On September 24 2014 20:30 Maluk wrote: I just want to point out that Riot is only showing the way towards report abuse and "toxic players" paranoia ; the community whole-heartedly follows suit (reddit is a good example) and can be blamed too. I think the reddit guy who posts something about a toxic player being banned is just as pathetic as Riot Ryze. I'd argue anything reddit bandwagons onto is merely the nature of reddit to be honest. They'll pitchfork and while I dislike the term "circle jerk" over just about anything. I'm not going to blame reddit for being itself beyond that I don't like that kind of stuff. One of the reasons I'm not liking the look of the beta league boards is it reminds me too much of reddit. I've got no problem with Ryze. While I don't like the idea of giving out chatlogs for every "unban me I'm innocent" thread(it'd still be a great show just saying) if you decide to take the public forum route instead of just an email I'm not going to blame Ryze for showing chat highlights of what happened and reasoning behind a ban. In the end toxic players are a minority, those banned a minority of that. Of course the issue as always is that they tend to be quite loud and verbose and can drive people away from the game and make a community seem worse then it actually is. Done for now stuff to do, just remember while we may disagree doesn't mean I wont give you bear hug of happiness. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I am not going to get chat restriction if I am allowed to type only 1 line per X minute. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Just sometimes i have to convince my team to bait the enemy at baron, i guess that would would be something someone else must do then. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
On September 24 2014 16:55 PrinceXizor wrote: Frankly the fact they are spending hundreds of thousands to develop new systems to punish players in new ways instead of spending that money improving server strength, helping prevent the DDOS attacks, helping reward the positive players (which has been proven to help people change behavior far more than punishments) should speak volumes about riot's priorities. Citation Needed. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
Related to Ranked Restrictions, we’ve determined that Ranked Rewards should reward positive sportsmanship just as much as they reward great play, so the most negative players who are Ranked or Chat Restricted at the end of the season will be ineligible to earn ranked end of season rewards such as the loading screen borders or Victorious Morgana champion skin. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Victorious Morgana | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 24 2014 22:13 -Zoda- wrote: Morgana ? Hm, interesting, she hasn't been played very much in some regions I think. This doesn't really motivates me to play ranked to gold. Yea I grinded to gold a month ago just to get the skin then they release it's Morg and I got all sad. Such a waste of time :< | ||
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