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On September 19 2014 23:16 Shikyo wrote:
Okay, so Cassiopeia changes seem so weird. Her poisons are much weaker and her E deals the majority of her damage - I understand that. But I just don't understand her passive. All her AP ratios already got nerfed so hard that it really isn't even a benefit. the CDR is wonderful, yes, but it truly feels like you are at a handicap until you actually get up to 400 stacks. The E heal is very nice, however.
That's my opinion of it. Don't really like what they did to her at all.
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Don't worry, Viktor's next. The more I think about it, the more his "uniqueness", how unbalanced it is, is going to be removed for a generic mage who happens to have a stat stick slapped to him. :/ May as well change his passive to Syndra's.
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I wonder if Riot will ever lower someone's base AP ratios by 50% and then give them a stacking passive that gives them 100% bonus AP at the end to make it seem like they aren't actually just giving them a debuff for early game.
Oh I can already imagine it, "WOW 1200 AP SO OVERPOWERED" and all.
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On September 19 2014 23:33 Sufficiency wrote:
Lich Bane!!!
lich bane cassiopeia might be a thing, I need to give it a try although I'm not sure what to cut.
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If you're casting E every 0.5 secs do you even have time to attack?
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On September 20 2014 00:20 Ketara wrote:
If you're casting E every 0.5 secs do you even have time to attack?
It's currently bugged to 0.7 atm.
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On the PBE they fixed the bug. It feels *much* better but who knows if you'll ever get to the desired lategame.
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Yea she was an early game bully with still really high sustain damage that in the current game couldn't really early game bully most people. Now they removed that early game and gave her a slighly better late game in compensation. Don't see how that adds up at all. There'll still be better late game mages out there who do better in early game as well.
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Kind of a big deal is that her AoE is just significantly weaker and I always saw her as mostly an AoE dotchampion instead of burst damage with E which is extremely situational in any sort of a competitive game.
Something different though, people's opinion on Azir? I am sure he's been talked about earlier but I still would be interested to hear some thoughts. I just laned vs one for the first time and he seemed somewhat hmm... versatile, I would say.
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My impression of Azir so far is that his early game is really weak vs. Assassins/gapclosers, but once he gets to mid game he becomes a decent teamfighter and a pretty great split pusher.
I don't think anybody really knows how to play him yet though, he's so different from any other champion.
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Then again if you look at every recent release (apart from Gnar, who was specifically designed to be unreliable and actually has pretty strong teamfighting/chasing as Mega Gnar, and Braum, who has to have laning presence since he's a support) it's a common trait: ramping up champions with mediocre to good laning, a massive powerspike, and very solid/strong lategame.
Vel'Koz was the one exception and that's because Riot gave him poor ratios to make up for his base damage (as they wanted him to be able to hurt anyone between that and his passive; they almost reverted it like they did to Annie when he saw play as a support).
It's to be expected, since Riot would never consciously design a lane bully again (Gnar is only allowed to be a little fucker because he has to transform from time to time, and they shown that they hadn't anticipated Nidalee's off laning at all... when they fucking designed Jayce and Elise in the meantime). They'd rather buff Pantheon's lategame than have him able to bully someone other than Yasuo again.
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Lucian, Yasuo, Gnar , Braum(At least release) , Quinn, Thresh. Seems more like they design lane bully then they nerf everyone else that could bully. Just the normal complete disconnect riot has between the design team and the balance team.
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On September 20 2014 01:20 Numy wrote:
Lucian, Yasuo, Gnar , Braum(At least release) , Quinn, Thresh. Seems more like they design lane bully then they nerf everyone else that could bully. Just the normal complete disconnect riot has between the design team and the balance team.
I still laugh when I remember the balance team saying that resources-less champions like Vlad were a terrible mistake only to see the design team pump out another half dozen of em :p
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Wut. Yasuo's early game is nothing compared to his lategame potential, have you looked at how his passive, Q, and ult work? ôo
Lucian had strong laning but his lategame was also very strong because good ratios and double tap (which got better with IE starts but he was changed since). Thresh has strong laning but his teamfighting his superb and gets tanky as fuck even without items thanks to his passive, lantern is a super safe ability that protects your lategame from catches, the box is a very strong teamfighting ability with stupid base damage, and he has 2 cc on top of that.
Quinn was designed as a roamer/splitpusher more than a lane bully (they expected to see her in a duolane, not mid or offlane).
Gnar I agree, but as said they did it on purpose because they thought they could prevent him from being a bully because of his passive.
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On September 20 2014 01:21 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2014 01:20 Numy wrote:
Lucian, Yasuo, Gnar , Braum(At least release) , Quinn, Thresh. Seems more like they design lane bully then they nerf everyone else that could bully. Just the normal complete disconnect riot has between the design team and the balance team. I still laugh when I remember the balance team saying that resources-less champions like Vlad were a terrible mistake only to see the design team pump out another half dozen of em :p
They released rengar straight after that too with his absurd resourceless healing.
On September 20 2014 01:25 Alaric wrote:
Wut. Yasuo's early game is nothing compared to his lategame potential, have you looked at how his passive, Q, and ult work? ôo
Lucian had strong laning but his lategame was also very strong because good ratios and double tap (which got better with IE starts but he was changed since). Thresh has strong laning but his teamfighting his superb and gets tanky as fuck even without items thanks to his passive, lantern is a super safe ability that protects your lategame from catches, the box is a very strong teamfighting ability with stupid base damage, and he has 2 cc on top of that.
Quinn was designed as a roamer/splitpusher more than a lane bully (they expected to see her in a duolane, not mid or offlane).
Gnar I agree, but as said they did it on purpose because they thought they could prevent him from being a bully because of his passive.
Yasuo - Doesn't matter if his late game is very strong. We talking about early game here and his early game is also really strong so you can't just say "he has strong late game so the point about early game doesn't matter"
Lucian - Same thing
Thresh - Again you aren't going contrary to the point, merely saying he's good at more than just bullying.
Quinn - She was designed conceptually as a normal ADC but well they got that so wrong it doesn't matter what they thought, she's still a lane bully.
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0K then tell me which supports apart from Janna aren't supposed to have strong laning to make them appealing? Soraka maybe? Because she's weak in general, otherwise her laning is quite strong too.
What I'm saying is that Riot won't try to make a lane bully, because they even want to steer away from that. Yasuo has some strong match-ups, but most of his power comes from how bullshit Wind Wall is against commited trades. He also gets shat on by a number of champions until he has items. Just because Jax has some strong match-ups, especially post-6 doesn't make him a lane bully for example, same with Shen despite his Q harass.
Edit: does someone know who the "Tarson" featured LoL streamer is?
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Tarson the fellow Polish terran SC:BW and SC2 player.
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Oh, him, I remember him from the TSL, and I guess he appeared in some SC2 liquibets too. So it's just that he's streaming under LoL as a featured SC2 streamer more than featured as a LoL streamer I guess?
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