EPT[Patch 4.16] Azir General Discussion - Page 75
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On September 20 2014 02:50 Alaric wrote: Oh, him, I remember him from the TSL, and I guess he appeared in some SC2 liquibets too. So it's just that he's streaming under LoL as a featured SC2 streamer more than featured as a LoL streamer I guess? Also featured is featured, so once you are it's just a matter of selecting the right game on TL. | ||
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Celial
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At a gamescom party I was a few years ago he and White-Ra tried to outdrink each other. At 2 AM on the day of their 3rd place match. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On September 20 2014 04:03 Celial wrote: Tarson is love, Tarson is life. At a gamescom party I was a few years ago he and White-Ra tried to outdrink each other. At 2 AM on the day of their 3rd place match. Win one, lose the other. Sounds fair. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
(Trivia: the Plat II played way worse than the Bronze, rushing AP Amumu and throwing a big early lead with 2 Flash-bandage-ult 1v5 then flaming us.) | ||
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Chemiczny84
Poland458 Posts
On September 20 2014 05:38 Alaric wrote: I just had a Plat II + Bronze II premade on my team. How is that possible, I thought with a Plat it was a Silver at worst? (Trivia: the Plat II played way worse than the Bronze, rushing AP Amumu and throwing a big early lead with 2 Flash-bandage-ult 1v5 then flaming us.) lol that shouldn't be posiible, the worst that can duo with a plat player is gold V, unless the bronze one was in placements? On September 20 2014 06:03 Alzadar wrote: What do you guys think is the proper way to ease a totally new player into the game? Is it even possible for a high level player to play with them for more then a few games without being shit for both players? Better to just observe and give tips? smurf | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On September 20 2014 06:03 Alzadar wrote: What do you guys think is the proper way to ease a totally new player into the game? Is it even possible for a high level player to play with them for more then a few games without being shit for both players? Better to just observe and give tips? Teach them item basics/skill order basics (handful of champs)/basic warding spots+terminology (tribush/wraith bush/etc.) before playing with them. I find it pretty hard to help ingame if they don't have a basic grasp of that, it's just too much micromanaging the other person if they don't know these. They don't need to know the why's yet (easy to tell them ingame if they know what the item you're talking about is lol). | ||
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On September 20 2014 06:10 Ethelis wrote: Teach them item basics/skill order basics (handful of champs)/basic warding spots+terminology (tribush/wraith bush/etc.) before playing with them. I find it pretty hard to help ingame if they don't have a basic grasp of that, it's just too much micromanaging the other person if they don't know these. They don't need to know the why's yet (easy to tell them ingame if they know what the item you're talking about is lol). Queuing with them when they start is also a bad idea. Half a dozen of us started and learned together and it was great, with high levels of retention. The half dozen that started later were taken off newbie island way too early even starting with lvl 1 smurf accounts playing with them. Being off newbie island caused match histories with like 0-100 KDA causing discouragement and ultimately quitting. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12076 Posts
On September 20 2014 06:03 Alzadar wrote: What do you guys think is the proper way to ease a totally new player into the game? Is it even possible for a high level player to play with them for more then a few games without being shit for both players? Better to just observe and give tips? In my experience, it is really hard to play with a beginner, for both of you. Even if you create a smurf only for that purpose, you will VERY QUICKLY land on smurf island, which is pretty much the worst part of the LoL community. It is the guys who are annoying enough to get banned, but so addicted that they can't deal with not being able to play the game. They are usually very toxic. And even ignoring this fact, this means that if you will play people with at least on 30 character, in my experience they average somewhere around gold on their main. That is BAD for a new player. There are two ways such a game can go. Either you get fed and carry, while the new player feeds less and gets carried (which is no fun), or you don't get fed enough to deal with the feed your buddy gave the enemy, and you lose. Also not fun. If you go into the same lane with them, you will very quickly notice just how much you take certain things for a given in your lane partners, and you will both feed and lose the game in a non-fun way. Your friend will very quickly lose interest in the game, just because it is simply not fun for him. It sucks, but you really can't play with him. Even if you try trolly stuff, you will still play to win, which will very quickly lead to you once again ending on smurf island. You could try to get really drunk to lower you active skill level to roughly his, but i don't think that is a very smart idea in the long term. What you have to realize is that the learning curve in LoL is LONG. You don't notice this if you have played for a long time, but there are a lot of knowledge and skill things you take for granted that actually need to be learned over a very long period of time. Knowledge of what characters do. Knowledge of where stuff is on the map. Knowledge of what kind of play makes sense in a certain situation. Simple mechanics like aiming skillshots, or actually using them in a bursty fight at all. What to buy. Where to be. What to ward. To ward at all. What situation is dangerous and gets you killed. How to push advantages. And there is really no good way to accelerate this process a lot while still being fun for the person involved. Also, don't overdo it on tips, unless your friend can absorb a lot of info at once. Best thing would be if you could find him another beginner to start with him, because playing lol alone is a lot less fun than playing with friends. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
If you smurf it'll suck for them because you'll win every game, and they'll get smashed every game. Meanwhile you end up on smurf island, the most toxic place in the world by far. It sucks, but aside from bots you can't really play with your noobie friends. If they were like a competitive bw player our something then just go hard, don't even need to smurf. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 20 2014 08:16 iCanada wrote: Honestly, if someone is actually new to the game, bots and then try to wade them into pvp by themselves. Bonus points if you can find another noob for them to queue with against other players. If you smurf it'll suck for them because you'll win every game, and they'll get smashed every game. Meanwhile you end up on smurf island, the most toxic place in the world by far. It sucks, but aside from bots you can't really play with your noobie friends. If they were like a competitive bw player our something then just go hard, don't even need to smurf. Confirmed competitive bw players were masochists. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12076 Posts
This obviously also happens to the newbie you carry through his first few games, to the effect that he will feed every game, and you will carry every game, and it is only relevant if you carry harder than he feeds. This is not fun for him. He quits the game. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 20 2014 10:01 Simberto wrote: Create a new account. Play (and because you know what you are doing, win) 5 games. Congratulations, you are on smurf island. You will now only play against other smurfs until you are level 30. This obviously also happens to the newbie you carry through his first few games, to the effect that he will feed every game, and you will carry every game, and it is only relevant if you carry harder than he feeds. This is not fun for him. He quits the game. You win the games pretty convincingly too. Like you have 100 CS at 12 minutes with 6 kills, next most gold is like 20 creeps and 1 assist from your gank. lol. Most players you'll be playing with will be players who just started and would literally feed to Beginner bots. And then you'll probably also have maybe 1 bronze smurfv who thinks he's tough shit and will rage and keyboard warrior all game. Since you start with like super extra ridiculous accelerated elo in order to shield noobs from smurfs, you end up quite quickly in the equivalent of like high gold level games where 9.8/10 players are smurfs except for either guys that came from DotA / HoN / BW. This is an awful place to be, because most of these players are actually really bad players, but since they smurfing they think they the best of the best of the best (most could probably give you a fake Diamond account that is "theirs" as well), so it gets quite toxic. Probably half of them are also players who have had their main account banned because they are too toxic in the first place, and then there is also the fact that since you are on a level 3 account no one is scared of getting banned. Obviously, any new player that ends up in this spot quits rather quickly, as not only do they fail horribly against people who know what they are doing and are quite experienced, but they also usually get flamed by 7 out of 10 players in the game. It is quite a terrible experience actually. | ||
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InfSunday
United States735 Posts
Also, I've been encountering a ton of Azir support in team builder, this isn't actually a viable thing is it? I've been assuming that it's just guys wanting to play Azir and also wanting to avoid the ten minute long mid lane queue, but I actually had one do very well in my last game so I'd like confirmation that it's not an actual strat. | ||
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