EPTBut he didn't take into account the fact that GP's ult is global, slows, with a bigger AoE, and doesn't require him to expose himself (nor can he be cc'd to let people run from it either), which takes away from the sheer damage it can deal.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
But he didn't take into account the fact that GP's ult is global, slows, with a bigger AoE, and doesn't require him to expose himself (nor can he be cc'd to let people run from it either), which takes away from the sheer damage it can deal. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
At least then people would be able to connect and relate to the players' personalities. Its that and the fact Koreans don't stream anyway that makes them so "faceless" to people. In a good world everybody would be happy with fan favourites + Best teams T.T At least i still have CS:GO. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On September 07 2014 05:40 cLutZ wrote: ]The reason I used that analogy is because I feel it is the most pertinent and clear cut. NA is simultaneously the richest and the worst. In that scenario I think it's pretty clear that isolation won't help. Its not a very muddy case. No, the reason you used the analogy is because you didn't understand what you were saying. Tariffs for development are not about being the richest. Its about the time it takes to build up infrastructure. For nations this happens mainly in developing nations because developed nations have no need to develop infrastructure and for the most part are not harmed by an inability to create new industries. But Riot is not the United States. They do not have other industries that they're OK with talent going to because they themselves are the industry! They want each region to be internationally competitive because that increases their brand strength and viewership. So imposing regulations which helps less developed e-sports regions develop is not something that is analogous at all to a situation that never happened. If there is anything its analogous to its revenue sharing and salary caps in football. Those were imposed to allow smaller market teams to compete, because the league as a whole is better off when someone other then the fucking Yankess and their money catapults win the pennant. And the same thing is true in e-sports. Except that the reason that the non Korean regions aren't competitive isn't about money, its about the lack of infrastructure development. I.E. stuff that takes time and knowledge to build. Edit: Look all i am saying is that this is not like the US auto industry from the 50's to the 70's but instead its much more like when Alexander the Great, the Roman, conquered the world with elephant Calvary and the power of writing, which he, personally, developed. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 07 2014 06:52 Goumindong wrote: ] Edit: Look all i am saying is that this is not like the US auto industry from the 50's to the 70's but instead its much more like when Alexander the Great, the Roman, conquered the world with elephant Calvary and the power of writing, which he, personally, developed. Who is Alexander the Great in this scenario? In any case, my argument against this would be that I do not see any logical connection between region-locking and improving NA. Lets just look at the standard complaints about NA: 1. Lack of infrastructure; 2. Lack of soloqueue talent; 3. Lack of dedication/motivation. I don't see how insulating the region would improve those things (if they are true). Wouldn't it be easiest for CJ Entus to create CJ Entus Cali and import the infrastructure? I mean, what if #2 is actually correct, then you are just dooming NA teams because of shitty NA talent, same with is #3 is correct. I mean, I dont disagree that it would be interesting to see NA players excel, but probably the best way for that to happen is to have a Korean team come to America and adopt them. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:00 Gorsameth wrote: People keep mentioning the lack of infrastructure and I don't doubt that is part of it but I still stand by that the commitment and mindset is the main reason why the west is so far behind. And i'm not alone in that. Take Helios for example. https://twitter.com/insideKLoL/status/502083948680187906 https://twitter.com/insideKLoL/status/502084024802635778 I disagree with Helios opinion. He seems to be saying Innox sucks, which I agree with you. By the way: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/27qi0v/helios_duoing_with_pobelter/ According to this post, Helios account is this: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/55779191#profile 250 games played on soloQ, Diamond I. Unless that is not his account I find his statements to be extremely dishonest. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Why on earth is that not the norm for these teams? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:34 Numy wrote: I think it's more along the lines of this http://ask.fm/FrogTheAnivia/answer/118935162507 Why on earth is that not the norm for these teams? Because their commitment is shit? Because their goal is not being the best, its not getting dropping out of the LCS which is becomes easier with both the 2 extra spots and the lack of foreign intervention. (note this is not the case of all teams but it seems to be true for the large majority.) | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:44 Sufficiency wrote: Also most of them don't have multi-billion companies supporting them. Your vastly overestimating the amount of money being sunk into these teams by their sponsor. You don't need a billion dollar sponsor to take scrims seriously. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:45 Gorsameth wrote: Your vastly overestimating the amount of money being sunk into these teams by their sponsor. You don't need a billion dollar sponsor to take scrims seriously. Billion dollar sponsor does not need to provide top dollars, but it does provide a sense of legitimacy. They are also far more goal-oriented and manage better (at least manage better than CLG and XDG). Also does Helios have any other accounts? I can't find his account with supposedly 300+ games played. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 07 2014 07:44 Gorsameth wrote: Because their commitment is shit? Because their goal is not being the best, its not getting dropping out of the LCS which is becomes easier with both the 2 extra spots and the lack of foreign intervention. (note this is not the case of all teams but it seems to be true for the large majority.) there are probably 3 teams worth of players in all of LCS that would do everything properly. but then again. the majority of the players are kids, and without someone to tell them what to do. a coach/manager is seen as a friend not someone who gives orders. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Maybe there is such a rule in place already, but Riot just didn't publicize it yet. The NA scene should be used to develop NA talent. Occasionally acquiring a player from another region is fine, but when half of the individual player acquisitions from this year not from NA something is wrong. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Hence why you have to stick out as a popular streamer or something similar to get recognized as an asset to a team ($$) In addition to obviously being at least somewhat decent at this game (challenger) | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2014 08:38 PrinceXizor wrote: its not like teams do a good job scouting talent in NA anyway, everyone just recycles players. even most of the koreans were recycled. no B teams allowed in LCS means no scouting unproven players to scrim and see how they do in competitive play. not that they pay anyone to look for players anyway. This is a serious problem. The NA scene has this very unhealthy fetish about other region players - CLG is particularly guilty of this. They rather pick out an amateur player from Korea instead of finding an NA top laner, because "NA HAS NO TALENT". NA has talent (see: C9), but the NA scene is so small and the organizations are so weak financially that they have to go for the safer route of recycling a talent instead of picking out a new one. It is up to Riot to insert barriers and incentize NA teams to pick out NA players. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2014 08:49 Slusher wrote: well it is practically impossible to get relegated at this point Coast got relegated. XDG did as well. Putting in more LCS team also means more teams have to play in relegation, which IMO is actually more opportunity for Challenger teams. | ||
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