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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
September 06 2014 19:26 GMT
#1221
On September 07 2014 04:02 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 03:51 wei2coolman wrote:
But Alliance is good... :O


Good yes.

Good enough to win worlds over Koreans?

No.

If Wickd wins worlds i'll eat my hat. I'm quite sure his weaknesses will be revealed there.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 19:27:49
September 06 2014 19:27 GMT
#1222
On September 07 2014 04:02 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 03:51 wei2coolman wrote:
But Alliance is good... :O


Good yes.

Good enough to win worlds over Koreans?

No.

Except that wasn't the context it was put in.
Good enough to beat B-tier Korean teams, that yango was mentioning.
On September 07 2014 04:26 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 04:02 Disengaged wrote:
On September 07 2014 03:51 wei2coolman wrote:
But Alliance is good... :O


Good yes.

Good enough to win worlds over Koreans?

No.

If Wickd wins worlds i'll eat my hat. I'm quite sure his weaknesses will be revealed there.

You mean they ban Irelia, and make froggen's lane a 3v1?
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 06 2014 19:29 GMT
#1223
On September 07 2014 03:57 TheYango wrote:
You already quoted it! XD

I think it's the first time I've seen you use a smiley.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 06 2014 19:29 GMT
#1224
On September 07 2014 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 03:57 TheYango wrote:
You already quoted it! XD

I think it's the first time I've seen you use a smiley.

TBH it gave me chills more than anything else.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 19:35:48
September 06 2014 19:34 GMT
#1225
Also this is pretty funny(more so that there is a stream of this, and someone is doing it like they did it with Faker):

http://www.twitch.tv/lcs_pros_in_koreansoloq
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 06 2014 19:42 GMT
#1226
On September 07 2014 04:34 ketchup wrote:
Also this is pretty funny(more so that there is a stream of this, and someone is doing it like they did it with Faker):

http://www.twitch.tv/lcs_pros_in_koreansoloq

Faker is constantly struggling being like 2-0 while the rest of his team is 1-7 even when he's not playing mid

Sometimes LCS pros feed to random Korean soloq people (or maybe OGN pro smurfs?)
Administrator@TL_Zess
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
September 06 2014 19:53 GMT
#1227
Btw anyone lagging like hell?
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 06 2014 20:12 GMT
#1228
Ranked disabled. Fuck this shit.

NA the new EUW now. Seriously. Very wow much QQ.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
September 06 2014 20:15 GMT
#1229
On September 07 2014 04:34 ketchup wrote:
Also this is pretty funny(more so that there is a stream of this, and someone is doing it like they did it with Faker):

http://www.twitch.tv/lcs_pros_in_koreansoloq


Awwww you beat me to it! I'm pretty interested to see how they do. Froggen looked like he was having an easy time but that was only in diamond so far.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 06 2014 20:23 GMT
#1230
blue build ez mid, proof that kr soloqueue meta is godly
liftlift > tsm
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 06 2014 20:24 GMT
#1231
The ddos is realz
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 06 2014 20:24 GMT
#1232
I'm just salty because we aren't gonna get the Shy, Madlife , Ryu team. Overall I have mixed feelings on the soft region lock but I realize it's probably better overall for the average LCS fan. I want to see better teams but they want to see teams they can root for. I think LMQ had done a good job of building a decent fan base bit if more full foriegn teams came into the scene I could see a lot of fans getting tired of it and revert back to the "faceless Korean" complaint. In the end I still don't think this is gonna do enough to "fix" NA and make them more competitive in the world scene.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 06 2014 20:25 GMT
#1233
On September 07 2014 05:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm just salty because we aren't gonna get the Shy, Madlife , Ryu team. Overall I have mixed feelings on the soft region lock but I realize it's probably better overall for the average LCS fan. I want to see better teams but they want to see teams they can root for. I think LMQ had done a good job of building a decent fan base bit if more full foriegn teams came into the scene I could see a lot of fans getting tired of it and revert back to the "faceless Korean" complaint. In the end I still don't think this is gonna do enough to "fix" NA and make them more competitive in the world scene.



You still can get Madlife and Shy on NA. They just can't bring an entire squad of Koreans.

For example, I can see EG acquiring Madlife and Shy.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 20:28:53
September 06 2014 20:27 GMT
#1234
On September 07 2014 05:25 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 05:24 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm just salty because we aren't gonna get the Shy, Madlife , Ryu team. Overall I have mixed feelings on the soft region lock but I realize it's probably better overall for the average LCS fan. I want to see better teams but they want to see teams they can root for. I think LMQ had done a good job of building a decent fan base bit if more full foriegn teams came into the scene I could see a lot of fans getting tired of it and revert back to the "faceless Korean" complaint. In the end I still don't think this is gonna do enough to "fix" NA and make them more competitive in the world scene.



You still can get Madlife and Shy on NA. They just can't bring an entire squad of Koreans.

For example, I can see EG acquiring Madlife and Shy.

I wonder if the rule will still apply if they play through entire Challenger series (or whatever long the duration to be considered resident is)? Because seriously I don't think many fans will have issues if teams go through the gauntlet and prove themselves like LMQ.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 06 2014 20:32 GMT
#1235
What exactly are the LCS rules on subs again? The new policy seems to apply only to players on the starting lineup.

Would it be possible to field a team of 3 NA starters, 2 Korean players, and 3 Korean subs?
Moderator
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 06 2014 20:33 GMT
#1236
On September 07 2014 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:
blue build ez mid, proof that kr soloqueue meta is godly

Machi and ahq fighter was on that shit months ago, SEA master race strikes again.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 20:37:18
September 06 2014 20:36 GMT
#1237
On September 07 2014 05:33 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:
blue build ez mid, proof that kr soloqueue meta is godly

Machi and ahq fighter was on that shit months ago, SEA master race strikes again.

TPA confirmed to win worlds again.
On September 07 2014 05:32 TheYango wrote:
What exactly are the LCS rules on subs again? The new policy seems to apply only to players on the starting lineup.

Would it be possible to field a team of 3 NA starters, 2 Korean players, and 3 Korean subs?

Yango, the master loophole finder. The NLB LCS dream is still alive.
liftlift > tsm
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
September 06 2014 20:37 GMT
#1238
On September 07 2014 05:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Ranked disabled. Fuck this shit.

NA the new EUW now. Seriously. Very wow much QQ.


Not until you get the problems for another few years.
No I'm never serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 06 2014 20:40 GMT
#1239
On September 07 2014 03:52 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2014 13:04 cLutZ wrote:
On September 06 2014 12:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 06 2014 12:39 wei2coolman wrote:
NALCS confirmed for welfare league for starving NA pros.


The American economy started out because there were tariffs. The same level of protectionism is applied to NALCS with this policy.


Yea...thats just false.

NA has been doing fine internally because of the modern LCS, but it has been going backwards internationally...just like how tariffs just hurt your own people as a whole to benefit a small segment of the population.


protectionism actually does work in some instances. Tariffs are not necessarily net negative

Show nested quote +
Sufficiency, I just disagree entirely. The current protectionism is already hurting the NA scene, and more will just hurt it even more. This scheme just serves to give current NA pros stability, but does nothing to foster region wide competitiveness.

This is exactly like protectionist tariffs which, for example, let US auto companies rake in huge profits while paying exorbinant salaries and benefits, only for those cars to be shit and totally exposed once Japanese and German manufacturers started competing on even footing.


You're looking at the wrong time period for the creation of the American state. The protectionism he is talking about occurred in the 1800's, not the 1950's (by which time US policy had switched for the most part and the U.S. wanted to pressure other nations to reduce their tariffs and allow our goods in. E.G. GATT which we started in 1947). The nations that you claim "just totally beat us because of tariffs", like Japan* employed high tariffs in order to protect those industries until such a time as they could compete.

US Auto companies were not successful because of tariffs they were successful because the rest of the world's production infrastructure was a bombed out heap after world war II and neither did they get lazy because of tariffs. If they failed because of tariffs it was German and Japanese tariffs which caused the failure. Indeed. In the 70's US auto companies lobbied the US government for tariffs. Which they did not get! (though Japan did voluntarily reduce imports)

While the Development Economists are not unanimous on the subject of tariffs it is not nearly so clean cut as you suggest and there is robust evidence to suggest that tariffs are part of smart development strategy.

*IIRC Japan still has effective tariffs on imports by requiring non-standard modifications to vehicles imported. This can add thousands of dollars of extra cost onto foreign vehicles which are not produced specifically for the relatively small Japanese market.

The reason I used that analogy is because I feel it is the most pertinent and clear cut. NA is simultaneously the richest and the worst. In that scenario I think it's pretty clear that isolation won't help. Its not a very muddy case.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 06 2014 21:00 GMT
#1240
Jeez, watching bjerg play thresh is disgusting, 4/2/20. TSM doesn't need to figure out how to import more talent, just needs to learn how to clone.
liftlift > tsm
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