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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 01 2014 18:02 GMT
#741
Clearly Riot has realized that mana is an anti-fun mechanic, and are attempting to slowly phase it out of the game with big mana regen items and manaless champions.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 01 2014 18:04 GMT
#742
Honestly, that's probably true to a certain extent. Personally, I think there's a divide within Riot between people who want less gating, and people who still want gating. IIRC, Zenon posted on the league subreddit a while back talking about how he thinks Grail was a mistake and should never have been created.

It seems to me like ER was meant to be another Grail, but was purposefully gimped under the guise of "making it stronger lategame."
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 18:14:02
September 01 2014 18:06 GMT
#743
On September 02 2014 02:59 Ketara wrote:
I should play spells only Varus as ADC and go ER>LW>BT>Ghostblade


Riot has never felt mana is anti-fun otherwise they'll start pumping out ADCs who dont need mana. That will literally break bot lane.

Go varus mid, go ER Brut and with rune/mastery + blue and thats 40% easy. Obviously after ER the mana regen from blue is negligible, so you have the option of going triple pen which will help your team exponentially the more AD champs you have, and give up the blue to your top laner or something. Obviously you want Botrk for the extra fun.
Its amazingly fun to play and actually works well since he basically works like an AD xerath/ziggs if you dont count the ulti, and with 40% cdr his ulti is actually viable for constant skirmishes.
Stop procrastinating
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 01 2014 18:36 GMT
#744
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 01 2014 18:38 GMT
#745
Just from watching streams it happens all the time for challenger mmr people.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 18:46:47
September 01 2014 18:44 GMT
#746
you guys are missing the fact that you have to auto attack to get the mana return on this item, just because you have reaver on Varus doesn't mean you get to go arrow spam 24/7 from outside of a range where IE damage or BT lifesteal matter. If you want to spam poke from long range we're back to square 1, tear.
Carrilord has arrived.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 01 2014 18:52 GMT
#747
Anyone up for Mystery Gift (skin) exchange on EUW ?
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 01 2014 19:08 GMT
#748
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 01 2014 19:13 GMT
#749
lets say of the 10 people in your game 8 are going to keep playing, if 8 people with an mmr close enough to be matchmade hit play again at the same time it's only natural that some of them will hit the same game.
Carrilord has arrived.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 01 2014 20:06 GMT
#750
happens in aram a lot because not that many people play it
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 01 2014 20:16 GMT
#751
Could ER be a good Draven item? If you got it early enough, you could constantly shove with the CDR and he gets good value from the life steal and mana steal because of Q bonus damage. Plus, he doesn't care about the buildup because raw ad is amazing on him anyway.

The argument is obviously why would you need the mana, but I think it could be useful to help you keep up your steroids close to 100% of the time which increases your damage by a lot.

Something like ER + Ghostblade could be a good two item combo that gives you good DPS, sustain, and burst.
Writer@WriterYamato
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 20:37:28
September 01 2014 20:32 GMT
#752
Given that ER is supposed to be part of a mixed ability/aa offensive pattern, what about adding a mini sheen proc to it.
Hell, make it build out of like sheen + pickaxe/bf and now some champs that get some cool early game use out of sheen can build something out of it. It can return the proc damage as mana.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 01 2014 20:35 GMT
#753
That would make a lot of melee champions ridiculously OP
Writer@WriterYamato
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
September 01 2014 20:38 GMT
#754
I like how its op with no cost or numbers.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 01 2014 20:58 GMT
#755
You don't want a high AD sheen proc item in the game when jax and irelia exist.
Writer@WriterYamato
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 21:05:17
September 01 2014 21:04 GMT
#756
Cogito, ergo Toss
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 01 2014 21:12 GMT
#757
On September 02 2014 05:16 yamato77 wrote:
Could ER be a good Draven item? If you got it early enough, you could constantly shove with the CDR and he gets good value from the life steal and mana steal because of Q bonus damage. Plus, he doesn't care about the buildup because raw ad is amazing on him anyway.

The argument is obviously why would you need the mana, but I think it could be useful to help you keep up your steroids close to 100% of the time which increases your damage by a lot.

Something like ER + Ghostblade could be a good two item combo that gives you good DPS, sustain, and burst.

Or you could just get Brutalizer for the CDR and build your BF sword into something more useful. IE is fantastic on Draven and gives more damage than ER. BT also gives just as much damage as ER, but also gives survivability. ER gives... conditional mana regen.
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-01 21:40:33
September 01 2014 21:38 GMT
#758
Make it build out of Sheen and Brutalizer(or Pickaxe) reduce AD and when you upgrade it the Sheen proc gives you %mana but damage stays the same.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 01 2014 21:38 GMT
#759
Infinite mana actually, because all of your damage is autos and Q increases the amount restored just like lifesteal.

I played a game with it and it felt okay, but I'm terrible so it doesn't really count.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 00:07:04
September 02 2014 00:06 GMT
#760
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