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"Not enjoying" was litotes, I find it grating, I don't have to ache and feel miserable to not want to play in this kind of atmosphere.
You're also confusing the possibility of banning someone with the culture that was developed (by the community that was bad enough to begin with that a system like the tribunal was deemed necessary) where threatening to report someone becomes common behaviour, and for tinier and tinier stuff, just because it makes pricks feel entitled and has replaced the appeal to authority argument. That most people (according to Riot) who threaten to report in a game actually don't follow through compounds on that: it's used as a tool for the ingame behaviour and these interactions deemed unwanted, not handled incorrectly to punish people injustly.
(In general of course, you can obviously find specific cases.)
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On August 27 2014 13:12 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 12:52 Ketara wrote:
If the logic is that players should be held to a higher standard in ranked than they are in normals, then it makes sense for a player to be restricted from ranked play but allowed to play in normals. There is really no logical reason to think that because most of the bans are for chat logs and not things that actually affect game play. If anything, the opposite should be the policy considering normals is where people go to relax. Its choices like this which make you wish Blizzard had created LoL instead of a company that seems to always treat symptoms instead of diseases, and makes choices that will impede stated (or implied) goals. Not that Blizzard is infallible, but they did dump the RMAH and make uniques worthwhile.
And is still completely trumped by a Free to Play game that's 100x better and didn't have to butcher the entire idea of an economy and multiplayer because of massive design flaws. (Path of Exile)
Reminds me of how much I hate Blizzard for making the pos that is D3 in the first place. Nothing but a cash grab.
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lol, just read the launcher thingy.
They still havent removed that pando media booster?
jesus, it was hacked and was uploading malware 1 year ago.
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On August 27 2014 21:43 Alaric wrote:
"Not enjoying" was litotes, I find it grating, I don't have to ache and feel miserable to not want to play in this kind of atmosphere.
You're also confusing the possibility of banning someone with the culture that was developed (by the community that was bad enough to begin with that a system like the tribunal was deemed necessary) where threatening to report someone becomes common behaviour, and for tinier and tinier stuff, just because it makes pricks feel entitled and has replaced the appeal to authority argument. That most people (according to Riot) who threaten to report in a game actually don't follow through compounds on that: it's used as a tool for the ingame behaviour and these interactions deemed unwanted, not handled incorrectly to punish people injustly.
Unfair bans are not the system's problem though. That report "culture" that you are talking about is the problem, precisely. It is a product of Riot's report policy ; hell, they are even promoting it with something as ridiculous as the "riot ryze" (or whatever his name is) witch hunt on EUW forums.
You say you "don't want to play in this kind of atmosphere" so you'll report people. The problem is, does that actually help making the atmosphere better ? One thing is for sure : it creates another atmosphere, which is very heavy and not the most pleasant either : report threats everywhere, Riot big brother watching every word you are typing, generating a ton of report-related flame... Does the system make things any better though ? There is no evidence for that.
So you're trading a certain amount of evil for an uncertain (and possibly non existent) amount of good. That's precisely what is wrong with Riot's system.
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On August 27 2014 21:05 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 20:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Basically, the Tribunal was a failure. Not a surprise. How is this the conclusion you're drawing from this discussion...?
Why do you think Riot disabled the Tribunal to make an entirely new system?
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The thing is, you don't get banned for one instance of being an asshole. It takes a LOT of repeated offenses to be banned for something. So in that sense I think the system is fine. Reporting one person for one game isn't going to do anything if that's the only game it happened in. If they do it a lot, they'll get dealt with.
It's better than the old toxicity that used to exist. Doesn't anyone remember post beta pre s1 where you had to literally screenshot something AND be friends with a rioter for anything to get done?
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they ruined the chat channels! they are tiny now
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On August 27 2014 20:53 LaNague wrote:
i dont like the normals= low priority thing, there are a lot of people who have no interest in ranked play and now they either play in permanent LP or they have to move to ranked.
It didnt do starcraft2 any good to force people into ladder.
This is particularly grating given ranked is actually missing features that normals have, most notably the ability to queue as a 3-4 stack.
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On August 27 2014 22:24 LaNague wrote:
they ruined the chat channels! they are tiny now
I think what's worse is that you can't grab the bar in your friends list to scroll anymore without accidentally resizing your client every now and then.
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On August 27 2014 22:28 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 22:24 LaNague wrote:
they ruined the chat channels! they are tiny now I think what's worse is that you can't grab the bar in your friends list to scroll anymore without accidentally resizing your client every now and then.
well, luckily im only gold, so everyone is emberassed to add me as a friend, so i only have 5 league friends, who are all silver 
So that doesnt apply to me.
But i liked my liquidparty chat -.-
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Being constantly capped at 300 friends on my list is rough. I have to routinely play remove a friend roulette and I wanted to keep certain inactives on there like this girl that passed away or people who transferred to KR like manyreason.
Having namedrops in your back pocket isn't the same as it used to be. Oh well.
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On August 27 2014 22:18 Maluk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 21:43 Alaric wrote:
"Not enjoying" was litotes, I find it grating, I don't have to ache and feel miserable to not want to play in this kind of atmosphere.
You're also confusing the possibility of banning someone with the culture that was developed (by the community that was bad enough to begin with that a system like the tribunal was deemed necessary) where threatening to report someone becomes common behaviour, and for tinier and tinier stuff, just because it makes pricks feel entitled and has replaced the appeal to authority argument. That most people (according to Riot) who threaten to report in a game actually don't follow through compounds on that: it's used as a tool for the ingame behaviour and these interactions deemed unwanted, not handled incorrectly to punish people injustly.
Unfair bans are not the system's problem though. That report "culture" that you are talking about is the problem, precisely. It is a product of Riot's report policy ; hell, they are even promoting it with something as ridiculous as the "riot ryze" (or whatever his name is) witch hunt on EUW forums. You say you "don't want to play in this kind of atmosphere" so you'll report people. The problem is, does that actually help making the atmosphere better ? One thing is for sure : it creates another atmosphere, which is very heavy and not the most pleasant either : report threats everywhere, Riot big brother watching every word you are typing, generating a ton of report-related flame... Does the system make things any better though ? There is no evidence for that. So you're trading a certain amount of evil for an uncertain (and possibly non existent) amount of good. That's precisely what is wrong with Riot's system.
You're doing exactly what I said, though: you confuse me using the report feature with me flaming people, throwing report threats around and using it as an authoritative argument to shut people up.
I don't tell people I will report them. Sometimes I don't say anything at all. I just endure the game, arguing when it seems necessary to prevent the guy from afking, for example, and once it's over I fill the reports.
I don't flame people (or at least I don't have the intent: I've received the pop-up 2-3 times) like you assume I do, I tend to argue because I'm a stubborn bonehead and my chat starts to include fucking and ffs as punctuation when I get really upset, and it isn't necessarily related to reports (I'll get aggressive toward somebody facechecking their jungle searching for a kill and dying alone for the 5th time, but I'll only report him if he's suiciding on purpose, not if he's just dumb).
So in that case, my habit of reporting people I feel deserve it has no bearing on the atmosphere of the game itself. You're focusing on the people who misuse the concept of reporting, or who're self-entitled, and make a mess about it in the ingame chat, but you can compare it to people blaming Russians on DotA: they focus on the fact that pricks talk Russian. There are Russians who speak English and play well and all, and there are non-Russian pricks.
If someone's going all hysterical and interspersing his flaming with "reported", it's not coming out of nowhere and caused by the presence of the tribunal.
I find it ironic considering people are blaming Riot for focusing on the symptoms over the disease at the same time. 
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5hat you definitely need me on your f list.
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On August 27 2014 22:18 Maluk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 21:43 Alaric wrote:
"Not enjoying" was litotes, I find it grating, I don't have to ache and feel miserable to not want to play in this kind of atmosphere.
You're also confusing the possibility of banning someone with the culture that was developed (by the community that was bad enough to begin with that a system like the tribunal was deemed necessary) where threatening to report someone becomes common behaviour, and for tinier and tinier stuff, just because it makes pricks feel entitled and has replaced the appeal to authority argument. That most people (according to Riot) who threaten to report in a game actually don't follow through compounds on that: it's used as a tool for the ingame behaviour and these interactions deemed unwanted, not handled incorrectly to punish people injustly.
Unfair bans are not the system's problem though. That report "culture" that you are talking about is the problem, precisely. It is a product of Riot's report policy ; hell, they are even promoting it with something as ridiculous as the "riot ryze" (or whatever his name is) witch hunt on EUW forums. You say you "don't want to play in this kind of atmosphere" so you'll report people. The problem is, does that actually help making the atmosphere better ? One thing is for sure : it creates another atmosphere, which is very heavy and not the most pleasant either : report threats everywhere, Riot big brother watching every word you are typing, generating a ton of report-related flame... Does the system make things any better though ? There is no evidence for that. So you're trading a certain amount of evil for an uncertain (and possibly non existent) amount of good. That's precisely what is wrong with Riot's system.
Trying things that might be better > Staying with something you know is bad. Even if the thing you try ends up worse, you can roll back to the old way.
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On August 27 2014 22:10 LaNague wrote:
lol, just read the launcher thingy.
They still havent removed that pando media booster?
jesus, it was hacked and was uploading malware 1 year ago.
The version that Riot used was before the hack and had the auto update disabled. The only way for Pando installed by League to be an issue is if somebody manually updated it.
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So i just had a Rumble using the Zhonya's active twice before even having the item. How the fuck did he manage to do that?
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On August 27 2014 23:56 Sponkz wrote:
So i just had a Rumble using the Zhonya's active twice before even having the item. How the fuck did he manage to do that?
Those bug fixes seem to have worked great.
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On August 27 2014 21:15 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 21:07 Kaneh wrote:
So uh. I don't understand why thet are so many people condoning assholes. Justify it however you want. You're still an asshole.
Also didn't people agree the system isn't perfect but still much better than nothing at all. There seem to be 3 schools of thought here: 1) The system's not perfect but it works reasonably well. 2) There shouldn't be any system at all and people should just be able to say whatever they want with no repercussions. 3) The system is terrible and all the data that Riot provides to show how well it's working is actually just fake/skewed.
While I would be fine with 2, really I have no problem with the system they have being a part of a bigger system. The issue I have is the seemingly skewed, and nonsensical, priority placed on chat logs. I see this as a problem because I have not seen a decrease in toxic behaviors like Trolling/Threatening in Champ select and intentionally feeding, etc. That they are not punishing these actions seems to be true, because they continue, and because there is no Red posts/those "Why did I get Banned" posts regarding these things.
Also, honestly I think that most of the chat problems stem from people being frustrated by the above actions/losing. Until Riot tells us the report % of losing vs. winning teams the numbers are not trustworthy (not that they are skewing it, just they are blind to this statistical reality).
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On August 27 2014 22:38 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
like this girl (Ohohoho) that passed away (Oh fuck -_-)
rip
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Sooo I opened the client aaaand...
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Eow8lsX.png)
Can't go past this lol
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EPT
