EPT[Patch 4.14] Gnar General Discussion - Page 36
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Eiii
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MindBreaker
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Gahlo
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On August 19 2014 08:49 nafta wrote: http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=lainovoz Yeah that part is something I dont exactly expect when I click play lol. I get it you are excited you got d1 but including it in literally every single post is just annoying. Ashe damage compared to other adc champs is low no clue how is that even debatable. I'm just asking because if you think that Ashe's damage is low then you're not playing her right. She doesn't do low damage. You can't build IE/Shiv/BT/LW and do low damage, period. You don't just compare raw damage and use that as a metric of how good an ADC is anyway, otherwise MF would be hands-down the best AD carry. It's about being able to get the teamfights that you want. Ashe has insane poke and siege and catch, her all in isn't bad, the only things she lacks are burst and escapes, which aren't really a problem with Thresh/Nami/Morgana/Sona all being high picks for support atm. She wins lanes, she has good utility, and although her damage might be RELATIVELY lower than other ADCs (questionably), she still puts out a ton of damage because you just build so much raw AD and it's just a matter of picking the correct fights. The champions that beat her in lane aren't really high picks in the meta right now and because full tanks aren't really a thing either (even renek builds hydra nowadays) I think she's worth picking up. She certainly feels stronger than Lucian when I play her, but that's just my opinion. I don't think the lack of an escape is that big of a deal for ADCs at this point in time. It's also the reason why I think MF is strong when other people don't. My winrate on her in ranked is 76% right now. The lack of an escape can be played around with positioning and strategy. It doesn't make an ADC automatically bad because they don't have one. | ||
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Gahlo
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Amui
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I'd expect that teams will get better at building comps that kill a single carry team though. I like the current meta though, especially in soloq there's just so many viable picks. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 19 2014 11:53 Gahlo wrote: The reason why people pick up immobile ADC is because the trade off is that they have increased damage potential, in most cases. Picking Ashe trades damage and mobility for what? What do you think her Q does? | ||
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Sufficiency
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Gahlo
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Not enough, imo. | ||
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Ryuu314
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On August 19 2014 11:53 Gahlo wrote: The reason why people pick up immobile ADC is because the trade off is that they have increased damage potential, in most cases. Picking Ashe trades damage and mobility for what? The best initiate in the game? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Not enough to be what? | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 19 2014 12:09 Sufficiency wrote: By the way I am very curious how many games both nafta and 5hat actually played as Ashe this season on ranked solo queue. Looks like 5hat has one ranked game and two normal games. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 19 2014 12:36 GolemMadness wrote: Looks like 5hat has one ranked game and two normal games. nafta has 2 games out of a grand total of 400 for season 4, ~30 for season 3, and <10 in total for season 1 and 2. They could have smurfs though. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35145 Posts
I think her Q is a very poorly designed ability stuck in the "win more" category when she performs well and is near useless when she doesn't. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 19 2014 12:39 Gahlo wrote: I think her Q is a very poorly designed ability stuck in the "win more" category when she performs well and is near useless when she doesn't. Actually her Q makes her extremely useful when underfarmed, because it's utility. It's very different from most other ADCs who rely on doing more damage. I'd take a 0-5 Ashe over a 0-5 [insert any other adc here] instantly. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35145 Posts
On August 19 2014 12:45 Sufficiency wrote: Actually her Q makes her extremely useful when underfarmed, because it's utility. It's very different from most other ADCs who rely on doing more damage. I'd take a 0-5 Ashe over a 0-5 [insert any other adc here] instantly. It offers utility that is very level dependent, which is something the ad/support bot lane forgoes for in the aspirations of more reliable farming. That's also compounded by the fact that she's been forced out of lane over and over and missed out on a ton of xp there as well. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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I mean I guess I don't really care if you believe me or not, but I'm just passing off my opinion. I now main MF/Ashe and not because I think they're weak. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 19 2014 12:53 Gahlo wrote: It offers utility that is very level dependent, which is something the ad/support bot lane forgoes for in the aspirations of more reliable farming. That's also compounded by the fact that she's been forced out of lane over and over and missed out on a ton of xp there as well. Ashe's weak laning is way overstated, especially in the current metagame. She can reliably stay in lane and farm, especially with Volley. When stuff like pre-nerf Sivir and Lucian, Graves, who were massive lane bullies are popular, Ashe does have problems. But now with nerfed Trist, Kog being the go-to picks, Ashe can lane no problem at all, especially if you have Braum or Morg. Even in hard lanes, Ashe can still get farm pretty easily with Volley. It's a 4 second cd, 1200 range aoe poke. CS'ing with that is pretty simple and reliable. She's also not mana hungry at all, so having to spam Volley to farm won't really going to force her out of lane either. It's also interesting to note that supports (in the competitive scene especially) roam a lot more now, letting the AD carry get more exp. I will say that one weakness about Ashe is that she is quite level hungry. Not as much as, say, Tristana, but more so than many other ADs. She wants maxed Volley so she's relevant before she has that AD carry item core, but having maxed frost shots is also really crucial. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
BEAST. | ||
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