EPT[Patch 4.14] Gnar General Discussion - Page 35
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 19 2014 06:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I dunno, my personal thoughts are that she's very strong in the meta right now. The ADCs that are good against her (Corki, Sivir) are not in favor and she's good against Lucian as far as I can tell. You win lanes like Ezreal and you can just safe farm against a lot of lanes with Volley even from behind. Twitch is probably a hard matchup but Arrow kinda negates that at 6 and as long as your jungler comes bot a lot you basically always win a 2v3/3v3. I'm gonna test more and see if I find any really unplayable matchups. I just dominated an Ezreal/Leona lane as Ashe/Morg in d1 even though my last hitting sucked. As long as you can get away with it I feel like double dorans -> avarice/zeal/zerks -> shiv -> IE is really strong. In unrelated news, Darius is top tier right now for top laners, imo. There is no adc in the game that doesn't win vs ezreal.Ashe/morg should win that lane easily dunno why is it surprising to you that you won it. Twitch is hard for ashe?Why?Twitch is garbage in lane as well. As I said her laning can be good the real problem is later.Her low damage and high utility don't compensate for no escape. I have been having real big issues with lucian after last patch.Even though he is my favourite champ he is just so underwhelming :/. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Lucian wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pair the changes with itemisation changes that completely fucked over the lower ranged marksmen. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On August 19 2014 07:01 Slusher wrote: loss forgiven on again lol 3 times in 3 days zzzzzzz Be grateful, EUW doesnt even turn it on =D | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On August 19 2014 07:05 iCanada wrote: Darius absolutely smashes Mao and ali. It's pretty gross actually. i imagine he also dies to every gank LOL | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Darius is like Renekton and Heimer, in the category of, if you don't punish me for bullying before 6 I'll just kill you both. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 19 2014 07:42 Slusher wrote: Darius is like Renekton and Heimer, in the category of, if you don't punish me for bullying before 6 I'll just kill you both. Yeah, kills the laner while baiting, then turns around, combos the jungler, grabs him when he tries to run and dunks him too. lol. Its a feast or famine lane for sure, but if there is no jungle intervention the Darius will be absolutely huuuge. So that means that in soloqueue, he absolutely bodies these guys top. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 19 2014 06:50 nafta wrote: There is no adc in the game that doesn't win vs ezreal.Ashe/morg should win that lane easily dunno why is it surprising to you that you won it. Twitch is hard for ashe?Why?Twitch is garbage in lane as well. As I said her laning can be good the real problem is later.Her low damage and high utility don't compensate for no escape. I have been having real big issues with lucian after last patch.Even though he is my favourite champ he is just so underwhelming :/. I disagree that her damage is low. Volley and Shiv crits put out a ton of AoE. She has high range, a stun, and two ways to apply a constant slow. When was the last time you actually played Ashe? Also, it takes a competent team. I would never dream of picking her in low diamond, but in d1 she's actually quite strong. Just so I'm clear as to what I should be explaining, what is your current tier/division? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
ashes damage is just objectively the lowest, thats not to say shes instantly terrible but its also not really a point up for discussion. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 19 2014 08:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I disagree that her damage is low. Volley and Shiv crits put out a ton of AoE. She has high range, a stun, and two ways to apply a constant slow. When was the last time you actually played Ashe? Also, it takes a competent team. I would never dream of picking her in low diamond, but in d1 she's actually quite strong. Just so I'm clear as to what I should be explaining, what is your current tier/division? http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=lainovoz Yeah that part is something I dont exactly expect when I click play lol. I get it you are excited you got d1 but including it in literally every single post is just annoying. Ashe damage compared to other adc champs is low no clue how is that even debatable. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Also Kog/Varus have no escape either. GG bad adc? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Kog's easier to protect overall, and he has a much better midgame and laning phase. Then again it's Kog being broken in general. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 19 2014 09:01 Sufficiency wrote: I hate the "Ashe no escape" argument. It's kind of like the 500 range Lucian thing all over again. You can't judge her over a single aspect without looking at her kit as a whole. Also Kog/Varus have no escape either. GG bad adc? It comes down to "is this champ worth peeling for?".In varus/ashe case the answer most of the time is no.Sure they are good for teamplay and stuff but that isn't how you win in soloq.Your only strength being negated completely by an item that most supports buy and most people can just dodge is very underwhelming. Hell I would argue that ashe is better the lower you go not higher. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I think playing Ashe is kind of weird. As ADC you do not want to get focused; but say you are Ashe and your mid laner is ranged, the enemy team has little choice but to focus you first - because if they initiate on your mid laner, and especially if they are melee, they will get brutally kited by your 35% perm slow and volley. This, compounded with the fact that Ashe has no escape, makes the situation even worse for her. That doesn't mean she is bad, but I feel Ashe requires a different build from other ADCs and she requires specific comps. As far as comps, Ashe is kind of like Twisted Fate in a teamfight (no I am not talking about their globals). Because you have a pretty good slow, you can help your mid laner kite very efficiently - kind of like what TF can do for an ADC in a teamfight. So she needs a ranged mid laner with good damage/CC and coordinate with her. If your mid laner is something like TF/Orianna/Lulu you will be kiting flawlessly. I think Ashe is not too demanding on damage on her build so long as her team has another source of ranged damage. So she can go Warmog/something else protective as a second item without any guilt. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Ideally you can make 4 guaranteed crits when combined with her passive. Against a target with little bonus armor you can do around 1.2k damage in around 2 seconds in the mid game. But unfortunately that means you won't get last hit minions which can make you pretty sad. More realistically you probably want to auto 1-2 times, hopefully get a natural crit, then use SotD. Assuming you do kill your target (best case scenario) your SotD will go on cooldown and your damage will take a pretty big dive. But you are Ashe! You don't need totally amazing DPS to be effective. Even with just zerker boots you will still be able to get 1+ hit per second fairly quickly, which is enough to perm slow whatever other "low threat" targets on the opposing team. | ||
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