• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:17
CEST 20:17
KST 03:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call7[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!20Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week2Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Looking 4 Yaroslav: Enemy, Korchagin, WCG, Ukraine 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group E Escore Tournament - Season 3 [ASL22] Ro24 Group D [ASL22] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3979 users

[Patch 4.14] Gnar General Discussion - Page 37

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 82 Next
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 05:16:31
August 19 2014 05:13 GMT
#721
On August 19 2014 13:02 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 12:53 Gahlo wrote:
On August 19 2014 12:45 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 19 2014 12:39 Gahlo wrote:
On August 19 2014 12:31 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 19 2014 12:16 Gahlo wrote:
On August 19 2014 12:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 19 2014 11:53 Gahlo wrote:
The reason why people pick up immobile ADC is because the trade off is that they have increased damage potential, in most cases. Picking Ashe trades damage and mobility for what?


What do you think her Q does?

Not enough, imo.


Not enough to be what?

I think her Q is a very poorly designed ability stuck in the "win more" category when she performs well and is near useless when she doesn't.


Actually her Q makes her extremely useful when underfarmed, because it's utility. It's very different from most other ADCs who rely on doing more damage.

I'd take a 0-5 Ashe over a 0-5 [insert any other adc here] instantly.

It offers utility that is very level dependent, which is something the ad/support bot lane forgoes for in the aspirations of more reliable farming. That's also compounded by the fact that she's been forced out of lane over and over and missed out on a ton of xp there as well.

Ashe's weak laning is way overstated, especially in the current metagame. She can reliably stay in lane and farm, especially with Volley. When stuff like pre-nerf Sivir and Lucian, Graves, who were massive lane bullies are popular, Ashe does have problems. But now with nerfed Trist, Kog being the go-to picks, Ashe can lane no problem at all, especially if you have Braum or Morg. Even in hard lanes, Ashe can still get farm pretty easily with Volley. It's a 4 second cd, 1200 range aoe poke. CS'ing with that is pretty simple and reliable. She's also not mana hungry at all, so having to spam Volley to farm won't really going to force her out of lane either.

It's also interesting to note that supports (in the competitive scene especially) roam a lot more now, letting the AD carry get more exp.

I will say that one weakness about Ashe is that she is quite level hungry. Not as much as, say, Tristana, but more so than many other ADs. She wants maxed Volley so she's relevant before she has that AD carry item core, but having maxed frost shots is also really crucial.


It's still pretty important for her to be picked later on after 2/3 of the jungler, support and AD are picked by the enemy so you can be sure that they won't pick something that can wombo combo you.

You can def do fine in lane with her E passive, etc., but compared to other immobile AD's like MF and Draven you have relatively low burst so you need to put yourself in a situation where you won't get stuck on the wrong end of the all-in. Unlike those two few people screw up the math against Ashe and let you trade 1 for 1 in a 1/2v3.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 05:17:45
August 19 2014 05:13 GMT
#722
On August 19 2014 12:38 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 12:36 GolemMadness wrote:
On August 19 2014 12:09 Sufficiency wrote:
By the way I am very curious how many games both nafta and 5hat actually played as Ashe this season on ranked solo queue.


Looks like 5hat has one ranked game and two normal games.


nafta has 2 games out of a grand total of 400 for season 4, ~30 for season 3, and <10 in total for season 1 and 2.

They could have smurfs though.


I played ashe almost exclusively back in my first time to 30 back in season 1, had something like 250 games on her in ranked in seasons 1 and 2, didn't play her much in season 3, but now on my newest chinese server I played something like 50+ games against other smurfs. I haven't played her in ranked yet because I haven't had that much time.

Ashe is a late game hypercarry. She used to be stronger in this role before all the cleanses became more common, but she still is. Ashe's low damage is deceptive because she comes with a built in red buff (that slows more than red buff late game), because it translates as a lot of actual damage. Sure, ashe will do less damage comparing auto to auto, but she will eventually get more autos off because the opponent can't disengage. She destroys bruisers late game, not as much as vayne, sure, but kill off the gapcloser and you will never ever touch her and you won't be escaping either. I've kited two bruisers before, alternating autos between them, and ended getting a double kill as then ran forward at me and then tried to run away.

Her late game is not an issue more than kogmaw's immobility late game is an issue. Her laning is not a strong as others, sure, but keep in mind the ie buff bt nerf was a big buff to her too, in addition to trist and crew.

Also between her passive + IE/Shiv, volley, and her ult she does a surprising amount of unreturnable burst.

TL;DR: Ashe does as much/more damage than other ads because slows = more autos
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 19 2014 06:00 GMT
#723
On August 19 2014 12:36 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 12:09 Sufficiency wrote:
By the way I am very curious how many games both nafta and 5hat actually played as Ashe this season on ranked solo queue.


Looks like 5hat has one ranked game and two normal games.

I've also played this game since beta and used to train 1v1 vs Locodoco and Ezpz adc vs adc mid when it was just MF/Ashe/Corki/Trist/Ezreal. It doesn't take me very long to pick up a champ I've known how to play for 5 years.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 19 2014 06:11 GMT
#724
From 12 games win streak down to losing 13 games out of last 15.
That's not QQ I'm just kinda mad about those Rito downswings that happens if you win too many games. At least on my level. Damn, being matched up with afkers and trolls ain't no fun.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
August 19 2014 06:27 GMT
#725
I love Ashe, and underestimating her burst damage is a bad idea. Her passive auto + nuke + auto at level 1 or 2 is about 300 damage (70*2, + 90, + 70). Of course, after that she only has her pew pew, but it's not something to scoff at.

When I play Ashe, I tend to not get level 2 ult until level 13. It reduces cooldown by 10 seconds only, even if the 175 damage boost is nice, I prefer the increased kiting ability.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 06:39:20
August 19 2014 06:39 GMT
#726
So anybody on NA right now want to duo? My smurf decayed to silver 1, and my main is currently locked out of playing because Rito Pls.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 19 2014 06:40 GMT
#727
so u mean u got 14 day banned for homosexual/death threats
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 19 2014 06:40 GMT
#728
On August 19 2014 15:39 Amui wrote:
So anybody on NA right now want to duo? My smurf decayed to silver 1, and my main is currently locked out of playing because Rito Pls.

I'd suggest not playing right now.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 19 2014 06:44 GMT
#729
On August 19 2014 15:40 FinestHour wrote:
so u mean u got 14 day banned for homosexual/death threats

Stuck on reconnect to game.

I'm a santa baron, and you can't take that away from me!
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 19 2014 06:51 GMT
#730
I've got work soon so I can't make a thread for it but in an hour and ten LPL Summer playoffs will start with EDG vs LGD
http://www.twitch.tv/lplen
Glorious SEA doto
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 19 2014 07:03 GMT
#731
On August 19 2014 15:40 FinestHour wrote:
so u mean u got 14 day banned for homosexual/death threats

Why is there a slash?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 19 2014 07:12 GMT
#732
On August 19 2014 15:51 Fusilero wrote:
I've got work soon so I can't make a thread for it but in an hour and ten LPL Summer playoffs will start with EDG vs LGD
http://www.twitch.tv/lplen

I guess people should use the regular season thread int he mean time.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 07:34:52
August 19 2014 07:18 GMT
#733
On August 19 2014 16:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 15:40 FinestHour wrote:
so u mean u got 14 day banned for homosexual/death threats

Why is there a slash?


Homosexual threats 2 edgy

Bro i will fuck u up

+ Show Spoiler +
the bum


Yaaaaaaaay keep getting failed to connect error at loading screen. Fuck you riot.
Useless wet fish.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 19 2014 07:49 GMT
#734
oh it was supposed to be homosexual statements OR death threats or both in one even ehueheue
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 19 2014 07:50 GMT
#735
On August 19 2014 05:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks Ashe is really strong right now? You kinda concede lane farm a bit but the hawkshot passive and avarice make up for it and then you're just this huge lategame god that has massive teamfight presence because tank teams aren't a thing anymore.

I think I'm going to pick up Ashe as my secondary ADC, I'm practicing her in d1 right now.

No, you're not mostly because games go so "late" that her engage is back to being really valuable. Her burst with shiv is also pretty impressive. Now that lee doesn't slow AS anymore I can see her being a lot stronger.

Basically if any number of people on the enemy team are kitable (udyr etc) then she is strong. If they are not she is weak.

Her problem is that she doesn't do as much damage as the harder carries and her lack of escape and self peel and general immobility (Ashe has the slowest move speed in the game and her slow is very weak compared to say Kogs) make it hard to function against people who will abuse you for those facts.

On August 19 2014 08:49 turdburgler wrote:
but her damage is low, shiv is not ashe, shiv is an item anyone can have. only having 1 ability that deals damage is objectively less damage than any other adc and half her ults power budget is taken up in the fact its a global stun, its got mediocre damage and doesnt scale.

ashes damage is just objectively the lowest, thats not to say shes instantly terrible but its also not really a point up for discussion.

Some things.

1) Ashe has better DPS than cait objectively. So it's not the lowest. She has better pre steroid DPS than most carries (like Trist) and definitely more than many early game carries. She has nearly the highest base AS of any adc(twitch is higher) and the highest scaling AS.

2) Ashe actually has decent dps in fights if the enemy doesn't get a first attack crit. This is ashes primary weakness in terms of dps because her passive (which is basically a steroid) does nothing 55 to 45 percent of the time. Otherwise the bonus damage from the critical strike on the first hit makes other carries take a significant amount of time to get back. Sometimes long enough for their steroids to wear off.

3) shiv isn't Ashe but it has a unique interaction with Ashe in that she is guaranteed the first proc will be a crit. This ups her burst significantly. (Also a reason why she has always been better with BT rather than BotRK due to the first hit damage spike)
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 19 2014 07:55 GMT
#736
Am I the only person that wonders how sirchez is even in diamond?
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 19 2014 07:57 GMT
#737
On August 19 2014 16:55 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person that wonders how sirchez is even in diamond?

GATES ARE OPENED.

Trick2g + SirhcEz bromance.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 19 2014 08:01 GMT
#738
On August 19 2014 15:11 739 wrote:
From 12 games win streak down to losing 13 games out of last 15.
That's not QQ I'm just kinda mad about those Rito downswings that happens if you win too many games. At least on my level. Damn, being matched up with afkers and trolls ain't no fun.


Did you space out your games? And have you been sure to watch the VODs or analyze why you were losing those games? I think tilting can easily happen when you start going on a losing streak, and not analyzing/practicing certain points will also make improvement much slower so you can't continue those win streaks/snap losing streaks.
darkness overpowering
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 19 2014 08:05 GMT
#739
On August 19 2014 17:01 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 15:11 739 wrote:
From 12 games win streak down to losing 13 games out of last 15.
That's not QQ I'm just kinda mad about those Rito downswings that happens if you win too many games. At least on my level. Damn, being matched up with afkers and trolls ain't no fun.


Did you space out your games? And have you been sure to watch the VODs or analyze why you were losing those games? I think tilting can easily happen when you start going on a losing streak, and not analyzing/practicing certain points will also make improvement much slower so you can't continue those win streaks/snap losing streaks.

I never look back. No time to analyze my past games as I'm playing 1-2 games daily only, no time for watching VODs or anything. I mean, when I went on that win streak I felt like I'm playing my A-game and I had REALLY nice teammates, communicative, focusing objectives, no flaming, no afk, no trolls. I went up from G5 ~40ip to G4 91ip and I started tilting hard that I went back to G5 0ip. I know I've been playing sloppy but trust me, every 2nd game I had someone afk in my team or someone just trolled or fed pretty hardcore. Like we had those bot premades doing Jinx/Leona vs Draven/Janna and ended up giving triple kill to Draven after our Shaco ganked bot lane. They gave like 12 kills overall in the first 15 minutes of the game. Then even when I was trying to carry hard as a mid laner I couldn't do shit, because Draven 3-hitted me later on...
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 08:17:13
August 19 2014 08:13 GMT
#740
On August 19 2014 17:05 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 17:01 ghrur wrote:
On August 19 2014 15:11 739 wrote:
From 12 games win streak down to losing 13 games out of last 15.
That's not QQ I'm just kinda mad about those Rito downswings that happens if you win too many games. At least on my level. Damn, being matched up with afkers and trolls ain't no fun.


Did you space out your games? And have you been sure to watch the VODs or analyze why you were losing those games? I think tilting can easily happen when you start going on a losing streak, and not analyzing/practicing certain points will also make improvement much slower so you can't continue those win streaks/snap losing streaks.

I never look back. No time to analyze my past games as I'm playing 1-2 games daily only, no time for watching VODs or anything. I mean, when I went on that win streak I felt like I'm playing my A-game and I had REALLY nice teammates, communicative, focusing objectives, no flaming, no afk, no trolls. I went up from G5 ~40ip to G4 91ip and I started tilting hard that I went back to G5 0ip. I know I've been playing sloppy but trust me, every 2nd game I had someone afk in my team or someone just trolled or fed pretty hardcore. Like we had those bot premades doing Jinx/Leona vs Draven/Janna and ended up giving triple kill to Draven after our Shaco ganked bot lane. They gave like 12 kills overall in the first 15 minutes of the game. Then even when I was trying to carry hard as a mid laner I couldn't do shit, because Draven 3-hitted me later on...


Personally, I have a policy where I think that you HAVE to analyze your past games or else what are you learning? It's like, trying to improve at BW without examining your replays and seeing where you fucked up your build order, scouting, etc. And 1-2 games daily is still enough to point out a plethora of mistake for low level players. I mean, you could always say teammates should've been better, but if you want to get out of whatever league it's about what you need to do better because you're making a ton of mistakes. You just need to spot them and improve on them.

Note: I don't watch all of my replays, but I'll keep in mind something like "I really fucked up CSing hard this game. I need to go practice that" and then proceed to just practice it for like 10 minutes in a custom game or something. I think it helps. :/
darkness overpowering
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 82 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
11:00
2026 GSTL: Day 2 [Twitch Run]
WardiTV959
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
MindelVK 26
CosmosSc2 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Soulkey 359
Dewaltoss 114
910 57
Hyun 51
Pusan 36
NaDa 27
Rock 20
soO 13
IntoTheRainbow 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
[ Show more ]
SilentControl 9
Counter-Strike
edward48
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King60
Other Games
Gorgc3033
Grubby2337
Liquid`RaSZi1988
fl0m1481
Beastyqt829
ceh9568
B2W.Neo373
XBOCT234
Liquid`Hasu147
C9.Mang0136
Livibee64
Trikslyr64
QueenE55
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 4
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV830
• masondota2665
League of Legends
• TFBlade985
Other Games
• imaqtpie927
• Shiphtur347
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
5h 43m
Afreeca Starleague
15h 43m
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Patches Events
21h 43m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 15h
Replay Cast
2 days
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.