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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 30 2014 02:45 GMT
#61
On July 30 2014 08:59 Gahlo wrote:
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On July 30 2014 08:49 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:47 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:44 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:41 Crusnik wrote:
I always thought they were almost the same, so that's my bad for not knowing the meaning I guess. Still, not very debonair imo, she looks waaaaay more like she'll punch your head into a wall at the orders of The Don.

Vi isn't very Debonair as a character. its really out of place. but vi is very strong and popular so she sells skins better than someone like sona who would fit the word better. But for future reference, Debutante comes from the word Debut.

Riot is turning Debonair from a Valentines day skin into a Piltover skin line, akin to how Crimson Elite, Commando, Bio-Forge, and Steel Legion are.

Then someone likely to actually visit high society like the sheriff would probably have been a more apt choice than an ex-con.

Reformed ex-con and now upstanding member of the community, even if she doesn't leave building in such a situation. Don't hate on Piltover Roffles.


I don't mind Debonair Vi on its face as an idea, but the splash art makes me dislike it. Debonair is just as much an attitude as it is a look. Being collected, confident, and charming. I wish they'd have gone with different art.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 02:47:30
July 30 2014 02:47 GMT
#62
On July 30 2014 11:43 schmutttt wrote:
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On July 30 2014 11:39 lefty wrote:
Is CLG getting help from Riot Korea with ID's? If they start with unplaced ID's, they won't get the most out of this training period.


Considering how big the account boosting scene in KR is I'm sure they can get them under the table.

Or even a smurf account(s). from another korean team. Plenty of them have several accounts with full runes and champions.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 02:50:45
July 30 2014 02:48 GMT
#63
On July 30 2014 11:45 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 08:59 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:49 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:47 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:44 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:41 Crusnik wrote:
I always thought they were almost the same, so that's my bad for not knowing the meaning I guess. Still, not very debonair imo, she looks waaaaay more like she'll punch your head into a wall at the orders of The Don.

Vi isn't very Debonair as a character. its really out of place. but vi is very strong and popular so she sells skins better than someone like sona who would fit the word better. But for future reference, Debutante comes from the word Debut.

Riot is turning Debonair from a Valentines day skin into a Piltover skin line, akin to how Crimson Elite, Commando, Bio-Forge, and Steel Legion are.

Then someone likely to actually visit high society like the sheriff would probably have been a more apt choice than an ex-con.

Reformed ex-con and now upstanding member of the community, even if she doesn't leave building in such a situation. Don't hate on Piltover Roffles.


I don't mind Debonair Vi on its face as an idea, but the splash art makes me dislike it. Debonair is just as much an attitude as it is a look. Being collected, confident, and charming. I wish they'd have gone with different art.


You do realize this is Vi we're talking about, right? The champion who has in-game emotes and lore about her saying she basically is a, "punch first, punch hard, Caitlyn asks questions later" kind of girl? Her pounding the poker table in rage (probably at Ezreal for taking most of her chips) fits her just fine.

Also, the casino/club they're in looks like the same one where Battle Bunny Riven is from, if the purple-ish background is any indication. I really wish they did lore short stores for some of these skins, the stories for some of them would be hilarious. I guess that's what fanfics are for.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 30 2014 02:53 GMT
#64
On July 30 2014 11:48 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 11:45 red_ wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:59 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:49 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:47 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:44 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:41 Crusnik wrote:
I always thought they were almost the same, so that's my bad for not knowing the meaning I guess. Still, not very debonair imo, she looks waaaaay more like she'll punch your head into a wall at the orders of The Don.

Vi isn't very Debonair as a character. its really out of place. but vi is very strong and popular so she sells skins better than someone like sona who would fit the word better. But for future reference, Debutante comes from the word Debut.

Riot is turning Debonair from a Valentines day skin into a Piltover skin line, akin to how Crimson Elite, Commando, Bio-Forge, and Steel Legion are.

Then someone likely to actually visit high society like the sheriff would probably have been a more apt choice than an ex-con.

Reformed ex-con and now upstanding member of the community, even if she doesn't leave building in such a situation. Don't hate on Piltover Roffles.


I don't mind Debonair Vi on its face as an idea, but the splash art makes me dislike it. Debonair is just as much an attitude as it is a look. Being collected, confident, and charming. I wish they'd have gone with different art.


You do realize this is Vi we're talking about, right? The champion who has in-game emotes and lore about her saying she basically is a, "punch first, punch hard, Caitlyn asks questions later" kind of girl? Her pounding the poker table in rage (probably at Ezreal for taking most of her chips) fits her just fine.

Also, the casino/club they're in looks like the same one where Battle Bunny Riven is from, if the purple-ish background is any indication. I really wish they did lore short stores for some of these skins, the stories for some of them would be hilarious. I guess that's what fanfics are for.


Yes I know Vi's attitude doesn't fit it to begin with, which was already discussed. Attitude can be changed with the voice overs though(which other skins have done), which leaves the art still not fitting the idea.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 30 2014 02:59 GMT
#65
On July 30 2014 11:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
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On July 30 2014 11:11 GolemMadness wrote:
With the big 3 junglers nerfed, I think Nunu could start seeing a lot more play. I've started to play him a bit, and he feels really strong already.

Nunu already sees a decent amount of play. I think he doesn't see more play because he takes a lot more finesse to play properly.


He's the 3rd least played jungler in the game, beaten out only by Sejuani and Zac. He was picked 0 times in the OGN quarter finals, and has been picked 9 times in the NA summer LCS. Also, he's one of the easiest junglers to play.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 03:28:11
July 30 2014 03:26 GMT
#66
Speaking of Zac, if Riot wants to make him viable again all they have to do is give back the tenacity on his ult and he'd be a viable tank jungler.
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
July 30 2014 03:33 GMT
#67
not at all... his clear/dmg is beyond shit lol the last i played him i remember clearing doubles and burning all 4 pots and still being at 1/2 hp which is just terrible and quill coat is terrible
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
July 30 2014 03:39 GMT
#68
no irelia nurf. do not approve.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 30 2014 03:45 GMT
#69
On July 30 2014 11:59 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 11:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 30 2014 11:11 GolemMadness wrote:
With the big 3 junglers nerfed, I think Nunu could start seeing a lot more play. I've started to play him a bit, and he feels really strong already.

Nunu already sees a decent amount of play. I think he doesn't see more play because he takes a lot more finesse to play properly.


He's the 3rd least played jungler in the game, beaten out only by Sejuani and Zac. He was picked 0 times in the OGN quarter finals, and has been picked 9 times in the NA summer LCS. Also, he's one of the easiest junglers to play.

i really dont care about solo queue stats. Besides, Nunu requires a high level of teamplay and vision control to play well.

I'm also pretty sure Nunu got picked quite a few times in groups during OGN, i'd have to check though. Either way, I know for sure he sees far far more play than shit like Hecarim, Maokai, or Skarner.
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 03:48:18
July 30 2014 03:47 GMT
#70
I now know how Dade felt at Worlds. My Lee Sin, Elise, Thresh, Nami, Lulu, Yasuo and Ziggs got nerfed (albeit some are small).

Any thoughts on the new sona? Everybody has been telling me that she feels weaker and I haven't had the time to try her out for myself. D:
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
July 30 2014 03:58 GMT
#71
From what I've seen/read about new Sona, she's weaker if you don't get a 2nd AP item on her (assuming you get spellthief's edge as your GP item) but if you get even a weak 2nd AP item (Morello's for example) she gets really strong.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 30 2014 04:23 GMT
#72
On July 30 2014 12:33 aurawashere wrote:
not at all... his clear/dmg is beyond shit lol the last i played him i remember clearing doubles and burning all 4 pots and still being at 1/2 hp which is just terrible and quill coat is terrible

you aren't juggling his blobs well enough if thats a problem, you should be spamming w so much you can't possibly take damage. picking up the blobs to reduce its CD.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
July 30 2014 04:27 GMT
#73
On July 30 2014 11:36 Amui wrote:
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On July 30 2014 11:21 Amarok wrote:
Elise murder aside, I really like this patch. I hope riot continues with a philosophy of small incremental balance changes rather than the wild swings we've seen recently.

And reverts on stuff that was overnerfed. One of the few times tbh.

I love how whenever Riot reverts something, somebody goes "one of the few times" when it's more common than people think.

On July 30 2014 11:48 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 11:45 red_ wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:59 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:49 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:47 Gahlo wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:44 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 30 2014 08:41 Crusnik wrote:
I always thought they were almost the same, so that's my bad for not knowing the meaning I guess. Still, not very debonair imo, she looks waaaaay more like she'll punch your head into a wall at the orders of The Don.

Vi isn't very Debonair as a character. its really out of place. but vi is very strong and popular so she sells skins better than someone like sona who would fit the word better. But for future reference, Debutante comes from the word Debut.

Riot is turning Debonair from a Valentines day skin into a Piltover skin line, akin to how Crimson Elite, Commando, Bio-Forge, and Steel Legion are.

Then someone likely to actually visit high society like the sheriff would probably have been a more apt choice than an ex-con.

Reformed ex-con and now upstanding member of the community, even if she doesn't leave building in such a situation. Don't hate on Piltover Roffles.


I don't mind Debonair Vi on its face as an idea, but the splash art makes me dislike it. Debonair is just as much an attitude as it is a look. Being collected, confident, and charming. I wish they'd have gone with different art.


You do realize this is Vi we're talking about, right? The champion who has in-game emotes and lore about her saying she basically is a, "punch first, punch hard, Caitlyn asks questions later" kind of girl? Her pounding the poker table in rage (probably at Ezreal for taking most of her chips) fits her just fine.

Also, the casino/club they're in looks like the same one where Battle Bunny Riven is from, if the purple-ish background is any indication. I really wish they did lore short stores for some of these skins, the stories for some of them would be hilarious. I guess that's what fanfics are for.

No, no, no. That's where the stupid fan pairing of Riven x Zac came from with the stupid Battle Bunny splash.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 30 2014 04:29 GMT
#74
On July 30 2014 12:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 11:59 GolemMadness wrote:
On July 30 2014 11:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 30 2014 11:11 GolemMadness wrote:
With the big 3 junglers nerfed, I think Nunu could start seeing a lot more play. I've started to play him a bit, and he feels really strong already.

Nunu already sees a decent amount of play. I think he doesn't see more play because he takes a lot more finesse to play properly.


He's the 3rd least played jungler in the game, beaten out only by Sejuani and Zac. He was picked 0 times in the OGN quarter finals, and has been picked 9 times in the NA summer LCS. Also, he's one of the easiest junglers to play.

i really dont care about solo queue stats. Besides, Nunu requires a high level of teamplay and vision control to play well.

I'm also pretty sure Nunu got picked quite a few times in groups during OGN, i'd have to check though. Either way, I know for sure he sees far far more play than shit like Hecarim, Maokai, or Skarner.


He was picked/banned 0 times in group stages. Even Skarner was picked twice.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 04:41:57
July 30 2014 04:36 GMT
#75
On July 30 2014 13:23 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 12:33 aurawashere wrote:
not at all... his clear/dmg is beyond shit lol the last i played him i remember clearing doubles and burning all 4 pots and still being at 1/2 hp which is just terrible and quill coat is terrible

you aren't juggling his blobs well enough if thats a problem, you should be spamming w so much you can't possibly take damage. picking up the blobs to reduce its CD.


no. the problem is machete now gives dmg based on autos and reduces dmg taken, the +10 phys dmg change hurt his first clear A LOT as hes obv not an auto based hero and then you are going into quill coat which still doesnt help his clear* but instead gives a thorn effect which is terrible early on. when he was good machete gave the 10% bonus dmg in addition to basic attacks giving +10 dmg and at this point machete still built into spirit stone which gave the 20%+ bonus dmg which helped him a lot
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6221 Posts
July 30 2014 04:39 GMT
#76
One of the things i want to try is the new Jax attack animation, it'll make his early game just a little bit better. Cool. Still reading over the other changes though, it's ridiculous how much they changed
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-30 04:48:44
July 30 2014 04:41 GMT
#77
real LOL:





also lol:



VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 30 2014 04:42 GMT
#78
how can you take out the titans of NA without a little inside info
I come in for the scraps
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 30 2014 04:47 GMT
#79
damn chaox doesn't need no bridges.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
July 30 2014 04:47 GMT
#80
On July 30 2014 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
how can you take out the titans of NA without a little inside info

CLG is currently 2-1 against EG this split, so CLG-B is going to need it if they want to end 2-2.
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