EPTOn July 17 2014 04:32 Ghost-z wrote:
And how is that different from any other ADC in this game?
And how is that different from any other ADC in this game?
Other adc's have 50 to 150 more range so it's less likely to happen.
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wei2coolman
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Other adc's have 50 to 150 more range so it's less likely to happen. | ||
NeoIllusions
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:57 NeoIllusions wrote: I'm inclined to think new Lucian may be better than old. Worse laning but pros can make do. But the mid/late game play potential is even higher now. Think he'll be better against bruisers but get shit on by the ADC. In the vid that was linked it was vs a subpar ADC that never ever attacked lucian until the end. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:32 Ghost-z wrote: And how is that different from any other ADC in this game? Because he has to put himself at much more risk to do damage compared to other AD's | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I haven't watched the videos yet, I was just rereading the patch notes for Lucian. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:36 ishboh wrote: this might not be on topic with the most recent changes, but I have been away from LoL for a couple months, I come back and I hear people using the word "kappa". what does kappa mean? kappa is the trollface for twitch.tv On July 17 2014 04:54 wei2coolman wrote: Other adc's have 50 to 150 more range so it's less likely to happen. 50-150 range isnt going to stop it from happening when that angry [insert hero] decides to use their gapcloser to shit on your face | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:03 NeoIllusions wrote: Play and flank like Vayne. She's never had much problems vs other ADCs as long as she gets the first rotation off. Lucian has even better burst imo, possibly better mobility to boot. I haven't watched the videos yet, I was just rereading the patch notes for Lucian. Vayne doesn't really teamfight in mid game though, she's off splitpushing/dueling. Real problem comes in sieging towers which is what pro games are all about. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:04 JimmiC wrote: if past experience have told us anything if most lol tl'rs complain that something sucks and will be bad within a matter of weeks it will be OP. Yet next change comes or new champ, they will still qq about dead champ. you haven't had enough past experience i think we're right about things about the same number of times we're wrong about them  | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:03 NeoIllusions wrote: Play and flank like Vayne. She's never had much problems vs other ADCs as long as she gets the first rotation off. Lucian has even better burst imo, possibly better mobility to boot. I haven't watched the videos yet, I was just rereading the patch notes for Lucian. Vayne also has invisibility to slip throughout the fight to make up for shit range, insanely strong steroid if she chooses to kite out tanks instead, and she still sucks balls at all levels of competitive play. Unless you bring out a full on early game strategy that focuses on sacrificing some early game objectives to get vayne to BotRK ASAP. And if you do such a strategy, you just sacrificed like 10 minutes of early game pressure just to maybe come out even in power level when Vayne gets her BotRK cuz of losing early game pressure. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:13 Ghost-z wrote: He had 35% CDR from items alone, probably 5% from masteries, and blue buff so he was capped in that 1v1. The fight is irrelevant. The point is look how fast he can E>aa>E>aa. And given that his Q is on a 3 second cooldown Lucian's passive has effectively a 100% uptime past the midgame if he itemizes for it. Thank you. This is what I have been saying all day. His E has close to 100% uptime and it cleanses slows. This is really broken. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:06 arb wrote: kappa is the trollface for twitch.tv 50-150 range isnt going to stop it from happening when that angry [insert hero] decides to use their gapcloser to shit on your face Need I mention Kennen again? 25 range was the exact amount of range that made him go from viable top laner against melee, to non existent. On July 17 2014 05:11 Sufficiency wrote: Thank you. This is what I have been saying all day. His E has close to 100% uptime and it cleanses slows. This is really broken. I just don't see him having the brute force power if you itemize for too much CDR. congrats you have 40% cdr with minimal crit chance, mean while the enemy trist already has shiv+IE. Keep dashing away from people, and look cool, and then your entire team gets rolled cuz you don't do enough damage. this is of course all assuming doesn't get caught cuz of his shit range, and get blown up right away. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote: Vayne also has invisibility to slip throughout the fight to make up for shit range, insanely strong steroid if she chooses to kite out tanks instead, and she still sucks balls at all levels of competitive play. Unless you bring out a full on early game strategy that focuses on sacrificing some early game objectives to get vayne to BotRK ASAP. And if you do such a strategy, you just sacrificed like 10 minutes of early game pressure just to maybe come out even in power level when Vayne gets her BotRK cuz of losing early game pressure. eh. to be fair, teams were playing Vayne with reasonable success by just lane swapping. she fell out of favor again cause Twitch/Lucian were just too strong to not pick. Theoretically, Lucian can avoid bad lanes by lane swapping. While 50 range does hurt his fighting potential, Sivir did fine for a while with her 500 range and she has far less mobility than Lucian. Sivir eventually fell out of favor 'cause her ultimate was no longer so highly valued, but she could teamfight perfectly fine in the hands of a competent pro AD carry. I'm pretty sure Lucian would do fine, as well. The only issue now is that Lucian occupies an entirely different niche than he did before, one that may not be ideally suited to compete with the current set of top ad carries. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:22 Ryuu314 wrote: eh. to be fair, teams were playing Vayne with reasonable success by just lane swapping. she fell out of favor again cause Twitch/Lucian were just too strong to not pick. Theoretically, Lucian can avoid bad lanes by lane swapping. While 50 range does hurt his fighting potential, Sivir did fine for a while with her 500 range and she has far less mobility than Lucian. Sivir eventually fell out of favor 'cause her ultimate was no longer so highly valued, but she could teamfight perfectly fine in the hands of a competent pro AD carry. I'm pretty sure Lucian would do fine, as well. The only issue now is that Lucian occupies an entirely different niche than he did before, one that may not be ideally suited to compete with the current set of top ad carries. TBH I feel riot took a step back with the recent patches when they made the statement that they want ADCs to carry. I dunno it seems worse now for some reason. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:22 Ryuu314 wrote: eh. to be fair, teams were playing Vayne with reasonable success by just lane swapping. she fell out of favor again cause Twitch/Lucian were just too strong to not pick. Theoretically, Lucian can avoid bad lanes by lane swapping. While 50 range does hurt his fighting potential, Sivir did fine for a while with her 500 range and she has far less mobility than Lucian. Sivir eventually fell out of favor 'cause her ultimate was no longer so highly valued, but she could teamfight perfectly fine in the hands of a competent pro AD carry. I'm pretty sure Lucian would do fine, as well. The only issue now is that Lucian occupies an entirely different niche than he did before, one that may not be ideally suited to compete with the current set of top ad carries. sivir only worked because it was so easy to grab a pick where it's 5v4 or 5v3, cuz of 5 man sprint. She offered so much team utility that it worked. Lucian does not. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 17 2014 05:16 wei2coolman wrote: Need I mention Kennen again? 25 range was the exact amount of range that made him go from viable top laner against melee, to non existent. I just don't see him having the brute force power if you itemize for too much CDR. congrats you have 40% cdr with minimal crit chance, mean while the enemy trist already has shiv+IE. Keep dashing away from people, and look cool, and then your entire team gets rolled cuz you don't do enough damage. this is of course all assuming doesn't get caught cuz of his shit range, and get blown up right away. You don't need to sacrifice any crit. You just need CDR boots, scaling CDR blues, and brutalizer or blue elixer. Don't forget E reset auto now, so the attack speed loss is partially compensated with extra resets. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
At least to my knowledge, assassins aren't as prevalent as they were before, so Lucian actually has a better time now than he would at other times. But high damage ADs like Kog and Twitch are popular, so the onus is on Lucian to get stuff done, i.e do work in the midgame (since the early game is worse now for him). | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On July 17 2014 03:34 Ghost-z wrote: So this is the new Lucian in a mid-game teamfight. + Show Spoiler + And this is the same Lucian a few minutes later in a 1v1 with Irelia. + Show Spoiler + I just brought that video to front page :3 Ty for karma Also TY for freelo as I dumpster Lucian and win every game as jinx/trist | ||
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wei2coolman
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