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GrandInquisitor
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On July 17 2014 05:41 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:06 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 17 2014 05:04 JimmiC wrote:
if past experience have told us anything if most lol tl'rs complain that something sucks and will be bad within a matter of weeks it will be OP. Yet next change comes or new champ, they will still qq about dead champ. you haven't had enough past experience i think we're right about things about the same number of times we're wrong about them  You're probably right  It just makes me laugh when people state there guesses like absolute fact and then are completely wrong. It's far more memorable and hilarious then when people state it like fact and get it right 
The key is that all these people will spout uninformed nonsense they pulled out of their butts, but when they turn out to be wrong, there's no accountability and they're off doing the same thing on the next patch. You can find various TLers who have declared Braum to be unplayably weak, Lucian to be unviable, Vel'Koz to be brokenly strong, and so on. But when the next patch comes out, they will never think to themselves, "Wow, I was really wrong about this, maybe I should shut up and have faith that Riot knows more about game design than I do."
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Its just funny because most people spouting this nonsense are silver V thinking they are gold level and got shitty placements when in fact placements accidentally put them in silver instead of bronze.
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On July 17 2014 05:58 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:41 JimmiC wrote:On July 17 2014 05:06 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 17 2014 05:04 JimmiC wrote:
if past experience have told us anything if most lol tl'rs complain that something sucks and will be bad within a matter of weeks it will be OP. Yet next change comes or new champ, they will still qq about dead champ. you haven't had enough past experience i think we're right about things about the same number of times we're wrong about them You're probably right It just makes me laugh when people state there guesses like absolute fact and then are completely wrong. It's far more memorable and hilarious then when people state it like fact and get it right The key is that all these people will spout uninformed nonsense they pulled out of their butts, but when they turn out to be wrong, there's no accountability and they're off doing the same thing on the next patch. You can find various TLers who have declared Braum to be unplayably weak, Lucian to be unviable, Vel'Koz to be brokenly strong, and so on. But when the next patch comes out, they will never think to themselves, "Wow, I was really wrong about this, maybe I should shut up and have faith that Riot knows more about game design than I do."
On July 17 2014 06:01 ReketSomething wrote:
Its just funny because most people spouting this nonsense are silver V thinking they are gold level and got shitty placements when in fact placements accidentally put them in silver instead of bronze.
Talk about ironic timing.
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Assuming hurricane autos apply Lucian's e cool down reduction, I'm going to be trying a botrk, hurricane, f.mallet build on him top lane. I don't think it will be any good, but it sure will be fun and extremely cancerous.
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Vel'Koz is strong. Noone here said he'd be broken, though. And because he's immobile without easy clear or defensive abilities like Orianna's, he doesn't fit the meta either. Doesn't stop me from being very strong, his base values remind of Annie's before the nerfs.
^ Hurricane doesn't apply the sheen passive to everyone it hits, because it's a buff consumed on-hit. The same is true for Lucian's passive, it's consumed when he autos, it's not a on-hit effect applied to every target or something.
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people always bring up lucian launch, Lucian was really bad until his q mana bug got fixed, people weren't wrong.
anyways on current lucian I'm pretty firmly in the wait and see camp, the new E seems really interesting but the necessary build seems low damage, and his lane sounds pretty abusable thinking about it from a support perspective. I'll have to see it to know for sure though
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so, i have the impression that the buffs spawn like 1 or 2 seconds earlier than they should, as in around 1:53/54. did anyone else notice that? i'm certain that i am not imagining it ,but it could be due to lag or something.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Vel'Koz is alright, on support though, no on middle lane like some people stated
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On July 17 2014 06:42 qotsager wrote:
so, i have the impression that the buffs spawn like 1 or 2 seconds earlier than they should, as in around 1:53/54. did anyone else notice that? i'm certain that i am not imagining it ,but it could be due to lag or something.
Not sure but they spawn on the map before you actually see them.
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On July 17 2014 06:34 Slusher wrote:
people always bring up lucian launch, Lucian was really bad until his q mana bug got fixed, people weren't wrong.
anyways on current lucian I'm pretty firmly in the wait and see camp, the new E seems really interesting but the necessary build seems low damage, and his lane sounds pretty abusable thinking about it from a support perspective. I'll have to see it to know for sure though
You could go the CDR runes/Mastery CDR boots/Ghostblade
so you'd have
Lucidity Boots/Ghostblade/Ie/Lw/Triforce(or bt i guess)/Defensive item
I dont think attack speed is actually that high priority on Lucian tbh.
On July 17 2014 05:58 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 05:41 JimmiC wrote:On July 17 2014 05:06 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 17 2014 05:04 JimmiC wrote:
if past experience have told us anything if most lol tl'rs complain that something sucks and will be bad within a matter of weeks it will be OP. Yet next change comes or new champ, they will still qq about dead champ. you haven't had enough past experience i think we're right about things about the same number of times we're wrong about them You're probably right It just makes me laugh when people state there guesses like absolute fact and then are completely wrong. It's far more memorable and hilarious then when people state it like fact and get it right The key is that all these people will spout uninformed nonsense they pulled out of their butts, but when they turn out to be wrong, there's no accountability and they're off doing the same thing on the next patch. You can find various TLers who have declared Braum to be unplayably weak, Lucian to be unviable, Vel'Koz to be brokenly strong, and so on. But when the next patch comes out, they will never think to themselves, "Wow, I was really wrong about this, maybe I should shut up and have faith that Riot knows more about game design than I do."
Theres very few people on TL i take seriously when they say "this is going to be unviable" infact on the topic of patch notes/nerfs/buffs theres like very very few whos opinion holds any weight with me.
People playing LoL in general, and here especially blow everything out of proportion even a -1 damage nerf could be "complete slaughter/olafing" to some posters here. I'm sure ive maybe been wrong before, but i know ive made quite a few "No this champions still going to be played/just fine" comments to people screaming "gutted/olafed" and they've been true too though. So I dunno, take 99% of opinions posted here on balance with less than a grain of salt
On July 17 2014 06:46 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 06:42 qotsager wrote:
so, i have the impression that the buffs spawn like 1 or 2 seconds earlier than they should, as in around 1:53/54. did anyone else notice that? i'm certain that i am not imagining it ,but it could be due to lag or something. Not sure but they spawn on the map before you actually see them.
I think they do actually physically spawn at 1:53/54 but you cant actually see them till 1:55
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I've actually seen a support tank Vel'koz once. It was a 5v4 with our side favored but he did a lot of damage. Base damage is insane. I don't remember if we lost that game but it was the only close 5v4 in a while.
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Buffs have always spawned like a second before.Just try using skillshots slightly before 1:55 and you will see they still get damaged even if they arent physically there.
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People who think that others overreact to stuff could always, you know, use a trivial bookmark on their browser so they could actually back up said claims. If you actually thought it was a problem.
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On July 17 2014 06:46 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 06:42 qotsager wrote:
so, i have the impression that the buffs spawn like 1 or 2 seconds earlier than they should, as in around 1:53/54. did anyone else notice that? i'm certain that i am not imagining it ,but it could be due to lag or something. Not sure but they spawn on the map before you actually see them.
it's lag on your end, if you fire a skillshot on the timer it will hit always done this for some reason.
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On July 17 2014 05:45 wei2coolman wrote:
rank 5 q on vayne has 2 second cooldown, with invisibility between each dash. You need to have like chinese level teamfight to make it work in full on teamfights, that doesn't even include the issue of getting vayne to the point where she can do that.
Realistically Lucians E is on a shorter CD than Vayne's Q. This is because Lucian's E is an auto attack reset and because the CD on Vayne's Q does not start until you auto attack. Additionally Lucian can use W or Q in order to get a second passive proc to set up his E again if he needs it before 2 seconds.
Vayne's Q also does not cleanse slows or attack speed debuffs*. Which makes Lucian almost immune to the primary method of catching and killing AD's.
*all attack speed slows are counted as slows, which means that Lucians E removes them. Additionally any stacked effect (like Anivia's Frostbite) will also be removed unless its coded as a separate debuff
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What I find funny is that people actually have legitimate lengthy discussions before the patch actually hits about how viable or unviable something is lol. Like don't people have other things to do during the day besides type out a few pages of something that they didn't even test out yet.
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On July 17 2014 07:47 K3Nyy wrote:
What I find funny is that people actually have legitimate lengthy discussions before the patch actually hits about how viable or unviable something is lol. Like don't people have other things to do during the day besides type out a few pages of something that they didn't even test out yet.
Its like people go to forums to share their opinions because they are bored and share their opinions because that is the purpose of a forum.Wow.
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On July 17 2014 07:49 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 07:47 K3Nyy wrote:
What I find funny is that people actually have legitimate lengthy discussions before the patch actually hits about how viable or unviable something is lol. Like don't people have other things to do during the day besides type out a few pages of something that they didn't even test out yet. Its like people go to forums to share their opinions because they are bored and share their opinions because that is the purpose of a forum.Wow.
There's a difference between opinions and talking like you know what you're talking about when you don't.
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I had the weirdest of things happen today.
I played with an account that had been incative for 6 months, and got demoted from Silver 2 to Silver 5, played 3 games, lost first, won the next 22 and instead of getting in promos, it directly promoted to silver 3 withput playing promos at all.
Is that a known feature? O.o
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