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[Patch 4.12] RIP Lucian General Discussion - Page 8
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + And this is the same Lucian a few minutes later in a 1v1 with Irelia. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On July 17 2014 03:34 Ghost-z wrote: So this is the new Lucian in a mid-game teamfight. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7GD1oK3RKI And this is the same Lucian a few minutes later in a 1v1 with Irelia. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKncW09FJko Holy moly | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On July 17 2014 03:46 wussleeQ wrote: I wouldn't call that a 1v1 with irelia if she's under their tower doesn't decide to hit lucian once I guess the point I was trying to make is how mobile Lucian can be in a 1v1 situation with a 2 second dash. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
See, the problem early game is clear, but late game he needs to use his passive to get E reduced. He has 50 less range to do that, meaning he's 50 range closer to getting bursted when he goes in. Lucian's best point now will probably be mid-game when he can make use of his high mobility without having to be really scared of his low range. Vayne works around it because her ult gives her invisibility and her AA damage is higher (also more range). Sivir works around it with her spell shield and the utility her ult gives (she also now has a better lvl 1 depending on who her support is). Ezreal worked because he could pump out Qs from long distance faster than Lucian could, and Frozen applied its on-hit on Q. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:05 Alaric wrote: The 1v1 is dumb because she's underfed while he is a lot, she's near his tower so she's not gonna fiight him, and between the tower and the minions the pathing gives him a free culling to start it off. Not much to do with the range nerf or E change at first tbh. It's more about how with 20% (30%? I think he had blue buff), you can pretty much E-passive-E-passive because most of the remaining ~2.5s are taken by the E and autos' animations. well he had reaver, bruta, cdr boots and blue buff. thats max CDR. | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
then again, I'm no expert so I could be way off. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:05 Alaric wrote: The 1v1 is dumb because she's underfed while he is a lot, she's near his tower so she's not gonna fiight him, and between the tower and the minions the pathing gives him a free culling to start it off. Not much to do with the range nerf or E change at first tbh. It's more about how with 20% (30%? I think he had blue buff), you can pretty much E-passive-E-passive because most of the remaining ~2.5s are taken by the E and autos' animations. He had 35% CDR from items alone, probably 5% from masteries, and blue buff so he was capped in that 1v1. The fight is irrelevant. The point is look how fast he can E>aa>E>aa. And given that his Q is on a 3 second cooldown Lucian's passive has effectively a 100% uptime past the midgame if he itemizes for it. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
About kiting people, when Jayce tooled on pretty much anyone Irelia and Fiora were amongst the only ones who could actually pressure him past level 3 (maybe Jarvan with his ult up, or Mundo (but he wasn't being played top at the time) because they could close the gap on him then reengage once he pressed E (if he pressed EQ instead they were done anyway because of the slow that let me run out of range). Lucian can disengage like that much more, although he's going to need CDR and some levels in E first (he'll prob max it second since W isn't that good and the MS bonus doesn't scale with levels—although I think Lucian should always have maxed E second anyway, but apparently people did Q>W>E?), so pretty much no melee could keep up with him unless they can cc him before his dash (sorry Jax) and burst him then use the fact that he disengaged to retreat before he retaliates. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 17 2014 03:53 Ghost-z wrote: I guess the point I was trying to make is how mobile Lucian can be in a 1v1 situation with a 2 second dash. Thing is, he gets hit with a single bit of hard CC and it's over. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
MAN HE MUST BE GOOD | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
My gut tells me that it would be good, but I'm thinking that there are other items that Pantheon would rather have. Am I right about this or way off the mark? | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:22 ticklishmusic wrote: Thing is, he gets hit with a single bit of hard CC and it's over. And how is that different from any other ADC in this game? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:33 turdburgler wrote: if i was planning on using gold on pantheon to buy mana regen i would probably just buy a flask instead of spending 3k on it. Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. If anything it seems like a luxury item. Thanks for the input! | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On July 17 2014 04:32 Frudgey wrote: Hey is Essence Reaver a decent item on Pantheon? My gut tells me that it would be good, but I'm thinking that there are other items that Pantheon would rather have. Am I right about this or way off the mark? Reaver is garbage. Riot decided to take the item equivalent of the fat chick who started losing a lot of weight but still had braces and beat it over the head with a baseball bat. | ||
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Cheap0
United States540 Posts
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