Did I ever claim 500 range is irrelevant?

I claim you cannot just lookat the range nerf without other aspects of his kit.

For example Gahlo does not even know what else about Lucian got changed.

I'm sorry you communicated poorly.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

July 16 2014 16:17 GMT

#122

On July 17 2014 01:09 Gahlo wrote:

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I'm sorry you communicated poorly.

Not sure how I communicated poorly when you made the statement "nothing about Lucian's passive changed"

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

July 16 2014 16:18 GMT

#123

ITT butthurt lucian mains or what? give it a rest geez. Then you wonder why they wont nerf lee sin

ghrur

United States3786 Posts

July 16 2014 16:23 GMT

#124

On July 17 2014 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:

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Not sure how I communicated poorly when you made the statement "nothing about Lucian's passive changed"

Because for the most part, he's right. The only change to the passive was the "double tap rule"... It was his E that was changed.

chalice

United States1945 Posts

July 16 2014 16:39 GMT

#125

arguing about the technicalities and semantics of the interaction between his passive and E being changed makes you look like a huge faggot.

User was warned for this post

Dark_Chill

Canada3353 Posts

July 16 2014 16:59 GMT

#126

Won't Lucian's early game be a lot worse now? His level 1 will have pretty much nothing changed (the base health might alleviate a bit of this) where people like Cait can just push him out of lane, and it doesn't seem like this changes until he can get to the midgame where the multiple dashes will be more useful.
What I feel like this really does to Lucian is pretty much lock in which support is going to be picked with him, because with his range change he'll probably need someone with a really strong lvl1-3 at least.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

July 16 2014 17:00 GMT

#127

I think he will be a different sort of Vayne. Less damage but far more mobile.

And his early laning will be close to garbage.

GreggSauce

United States566 Posts

July 16 2014 17:08 GMT

#128

On July 16 2014 08:57 GolemMadness wrote:

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Better hope your jungler camps your lane then.

try it before you bash it, if you go botrk you don't lose much attack speed and lucian is the LEAST reliant on attack speed anyway

Pibacc

Canada545 Posts

July 16 2014 17:08 GMT

#129

Is solo queue broken or something? I'm in plat 1 and getting an approx queue time of 10 minutes?

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

July 16 2014 17:10 GMT

#130

On July 17 2014 01:59 Dark_Chill wrote:
Won't Lucian's early game be a lot worse now? His level 1 will have pretty much nothing changed (the base health might alleviate a bit of this) where people like Cait can just push him out of lane, and it doesn't seem like this changes until he can get to the midgame where the multiple dashes will be more useful.
What I feel like this really does to Lucian is pretty much lock in which support is going to be picked with him, because with his range change he'll probably need someone with a really strong lvl1-3 at least.

Yes, his lane phase has been hit pretty hard. He can't trade well with people that outrange him without using his dash, from what I've seen. This leaves him in poor position to deal with poke, hooks, and ganks.

On July 17 2014 02:08 Pibacc wrote:
Is solo queue broken or something? I'm in plat 1 and getting an approx queue time of 10 minutes?

It's happening all over NA.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

July 16 2014 17:14 GMT

#131

On July 17 2014 00:57 cLutZ wrote:

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Yes, and Morgana is a viable utility mage with a bind and no long range spells, that doesn't mean Lux fans want her ult to be changed to an aoe centered on her toon instead of what it is.

You do realise that Dark Binding's range is 1300, and actually one of the longest skillshots in the game (beaten by some Xerath stuff, Ziggs because fuck that guy, TF's "I don't want to play with you" wild cards, and a few others), right? It trades a high mana cost, long cooldown, recognisable wind-up animation and slow projectile speed for range, damage and cc duration.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

July 16 2014 17:31 GMT

#132

Yea, I was just countering obstinance with ridiculous. Mostly because I think the riot defenders here are intentionally being ignorant for the sake of being hipster.

Also because I think they think it is hipster, when it is a pervasive tl mindset as I illustrated earlier.

RouaF

France4121 Posts

July 16 2014 17:40 GMT

#133

lucian top might work, butthurt lucian mains should give it a try

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

July 16 2014 17:52 GMT

#134

On July 17 2014 02:00 Sufficiency wrote:
I think he will be a different sort of Vayne. Less damage but far more mobile.

And his early laning will be close to garbage.

So what you're trying to say is he'll be shit. Cuz thats what vayne is right now.