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On July 17 2014 00:54 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:On July 17 2014 00:48 Sufficiency wrote:On July 17 2014 00:28 nafta wrote:On July 17 2014 00:14 Sufficiency wrote: Pretty sure the 500 range did not kill Sivir.
Not sure why all of you are tunneling on this. I dunno when was last time you saw a sivir?Seems pretty dead to me. People are tunneling because they realize it is a big deal lol. Sivir was often picked in competitive until her W was nerfed, her range stayed the same. I have this strange feeling that range has nothing to do with her decline in popularity and power. What a surprise. For a second I thought Sivir disappeared because her range is 500. Yes she actually did.She was picked for her utility and now when ad champs need to do damage and nobody cares about utility she isn't played.It actually makes perfect sense you just talk using your ass. Instead of pretending like 500 range is irrelevant why dont you go in a game try to play a 2v2 lane and then come back to tell us how he can be a good top and maybe mid laner so we can agree. Did I ever claim 500 range is irrelevant? I claim you cannot just lookat the range nerf without other aspects of his kit. For example Gahlo does not even know what else about Lucian got changed. I'm sorry you communicated poorly.
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On July 17 2014 01:09 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 00:54 Sufficiency wrote:On July 17 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:On July 17 2014 00:48 Sufficiency wrote:On July 17 2014 00:28 nafta wrote:On July 17 2014 00:14 Sufficiency wrote: Pretty sure the 500 range did not kill Sivir.
Not sure why all of you are tunneling on this. I dunno when was last time you saw a sivir?Seems pretty dead to me. People are tunneling because they realize it is a big deal lol. Sivir was often picked in competitive until her W was nerfed, her range stayed the same. I have this strange feeling that range has nothing to do with her decline in popularity and power. What a surprise. For a second I thought Sivir disappeared because her range is 500. Yes she actually did.She was picked for her utility and now when ad champs need to do damage and nobody cares about utility she isn't played.It actually makes perfect sense you just talk using your ass. Instead of pretending like 500 range is irrelevant why dont you go in a game try to play a 2v2 lane and then come back to tell us how he can be a good top and maybe mid laner so we can agree. Did I ever claim 500 range is irrelevant? I claim you cannot just lookat the range nerf without other aspects of his kit. For example Gahlo does not even know what else about Lucian got changed. I'm sorry you communicated poorly.
Not sure how I communicated poorly when you made the statement "nothing about Lucian's passive changed"
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ITT butthurt lucian mains or what? give it a rest geez. Then you wonder why they wont nerf lee sin
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On July 17 2014 01:17 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 01:09 Gahlo wrote:On July 17 2014 00:54 Sufficiency wrote:On July 17 2014 00:51 nafta wrote:On July 17 2014 00:48 Sufficiency wrote:On July 17 2014 00:28 nafta wrote:On July 17 2014 00:14 Sufficiency wrote: Pretty sure the 500 range did not kill Sivir.
Not sure why all of you are tunneling on this. I dunno when was last time you saw a sivir?Seems pretty dead to me. People are tunneling because they realize it is a big deal lol. Sivir was often picked in competitive until her W was nerfed, her range stayed the same. I have this strange feeling that range has nothing to do with her decline in popularity and power. What a surprise. For a second I thought Sivir disappeared because her range is 500. Yes she actually did.She was picked for her utility and now when ad champs need to do damage and nobody cares about utility she isn't played.It actually makes perfect sense you just talk using your ass. Instead of pretending like 500 range is irrelevant why dont you go in a game try to play a 2v2 lane and then come back to tell us how he can be a good top and maybe mid laner so we can agree. Did I ever claim 500 range is irrelevant? I claim you cannot just lookat the range nerf without other aspects of his kit. For example Gahlo does not even know what else about Lucian got changed. I'm sorry you communicated poorly. Not sure how I communicated poorly when you made the statement "nothing about Lucian's passive changed"
Because for the most part, he's right. The only change to the passive was the "double tap rule"... It was his E that was changed.
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arguing about the technicalities and semantics of the interaction between his passive and E being changed makes you look like a huge faggot.
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Won't Lucian's early game be a lot worse now? His level 1 will have pretty much nothing changed (the base health might alleviate a bit of this) where people like Cait can just push him out of lane, and it doesn't seem like this changes until he can get to the midgame where the multiple dashes will be more useful. What I feel like this really does to Lucian is pretty much lock in which support is going to be picked with him, because with his range change he'll probably need someone with a really strong lvl1-3 at least.
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I think he will be a different sort of Vayne. Less damage but far more mobile.
And his early laning will be close to garbage.
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On July 16 2014 08:57 GolemMadness wrote:Better hope your jungler camps your lane then.
try it before you bash it, if you go botrk you don't lose much attack speed and lucian is the LEAST reliant on attack speed anyway
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Canada545 Posts
Is solo queue broken or something? I'm in plat 1 and getting an approx queue time of 10 minutes?
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On July 17 2014 01:59 Dark_Chill wrote: Won't Lucian's early game be a lot worse now? His level 1 will have pretty much nothing changed (the base health might alleviate a bit of this) where people like Cait can just push him out of lane, and it doesn't seem like this changes until he can get to the midgame where the multiple dashes will be more useful. What I feel like this really does to Lucian is pretty much lock in which support is going to be picked with him, because with his range change he'll probably need someone with a really strong lvl1-3 at least. Yes, his lane phase has been hit pretty hard. He can't trade well with people that outrange him without using his dash, from what I've seen. This leaves him in poor position to deal with poke, hooks, and ganks.
On July 17 2014 02:08 Pibacc wrote: Is solo queue broken or something? I'm in plat 1 and getting an approx queue time of 10 minutes? It's happening all over NA.
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On July 17 2014 00:57 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2014 00:50 Sufficiency wrote:On July 17 2014 00:47 TheYango wrote: Sivir never even had more than 500 range, so I don't know where that example comes from. She was designed/balanced at 425 range before being scaled UP to 500 range and subsequently remade. Sivir is an example of an adc with 500 range and still be viable. It depends on the kit as a whole, not just auto range. Yes, and Morgana is a viable utility mage with a bind and no long range spells, that doesn't mean Lux fans want her ult to be changed to an aoe centered on her toon instead of what it is. You do realise that Dark Binding's range is 1300, and actually one of the longest skillshots in the game (beaten by some Xerath stuff, Ziggs because fuck that guy, TF's "I don't want to play with you" wild cards, and a few others), right? It trades a high mana cost, long cooldown, recognisable wind-up animation and slow projectile speed for range, damage and cc duration.
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Yea, I was just countering obstinance with ridiculous. Mostly because I think the riot defenders here are intentionally being ignorant for the sake of being hipster.
Also because I think they think it is hipster, when it is a pervasive tl mindset as I illustrated earlier.
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lucian top might work, butthurt lucian mains should give it a try
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On July 17 2014 02:00 Sufficiency wrote: I think he will be a different sort of Vayne. Less damage but far more mobile.
And his early laning will be close to garbage. So what you're trying to say is he'll be shit. Cuz thats what vayne is right now.
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On July 17 2014 02:40 RouaF wrote: lucian top might work, butthurt lucian mains should give it a try
Old Lucian top was a jerk as it is. Im sure he's a huge asshole there now vs poor melee.
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Is NA down or something because I couldn't even get to the login screen :|
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On July 17 2014 03:13 LightningStrike wrote: Is NA down or something because I couldn't even get to the login screen :| It's been wonky today.
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clearly u must buy more skins to give them more money for more stable servers
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