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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 15:33:45
July 24 2014 15:32 GMT
#1101
On July 25 2014 00:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Uh Amumu can't one shot a Zyra. It is really hard even if Amumu builds full AP. He needs to be very fed while Zyra is very behind.

I feel Nasus should build LW as the only damage items and Q tanks. Just my opinion.


i didnt say amumu is going to one shot zyra
i mean he uses his you know, CC skills to lock down the enemy team adn quickly focus down a squishy with his teams focused fire

also nasus didn't become bad its juts vayneauthority has no idea what he's talking about lol


lol I am the best nasus player on this forum by far.

you have 4 ranked games as nasus with this as a statline

2.3/game 5.5/game 3.5/game

I come in for the scraps
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 24 2014 15:35 GMT
#1102
On July 25 2014 00:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:31 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Uh Amumu can't one shot a Zyra. It is really hard even if Amumu builds full AP. He needs to be very fed while Zyra is very behind.

I feel Nasus should build LW as the only damage items and Q tanks. Just my opinion.


i didnt say amumu is going to one shot zyra
i mean he uses his you know, CC skills to lock down the enemy team adn quickly focus down a squishy with his teams focused fire

also nasus didn't become bad its juts vayneauthority has no idea what he's talking about lol


lol I am the best nasus player on this forum by far.

you have 4 ranked games as nasus with this as a statline

2.3/game 5.5/game 3.5/game



i have like 400 nasus games in ranked through previous seasons and was a lot higher ranked then too
i havent played him recently simply because i felt like playing a few other champs if you want I can powergame nasus and see who gets higher ranking.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 15:36 GMT
#1103
go for it. I was 22-3 with him in season 3 and have a 64% winrate with him this season. gl
I come in for the scraps
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 24 2014 15:37 GMT
#1104
Whats your account called VA? It's not on the list
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 15:38:51
July 24 2014 15:38 GMT
#1105
On July 25 2014 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
go for it. I was 22-3 with him in season 3 and have a 64% winrate with him this season. gl


i can go 22-3 with him in bronze 5 too if you went 22-3 your data is worthless because you're playing people far below your skill level

pretty sure those 4 nasus games were me playing ranked 5's and feeding as well
this was before our 5's teams got high enough MMR that I actually don't have to troll
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 15:38 GMT
#1106
reindeer, I trolled down to d5 0 LP and im working my way back up with nasus/gangplank only atm
I come in for the scraps
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 24 2014 15:38 GMT
#1107
NO MY DICK IS BIGGER
Bronze player stuck in platinum
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 15:38:50
July 24 2014 15:38 GMT
#1108
On July 25 2014 00:38 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
go for it. I was 22-3 with him in season 3 and have a 64% winrate with him this season. gl


i can go 22-3 with him in bronze 5 too if you went 22-3 your data is worthless because you're playing people far below your skill level


lol dude I was D1 last season and was D1 this season too. just stop.

you're an awful troll and european to boot, nuff said
I come in for the scraps
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 24 2014 15:40 GMT
#1109
On July 25 2014 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Uh Amumu can't one shot a Zyra. It is really hard even if Amumu builds full AP. He needs to be very fed while Zyra is very behind.

I feel Nasus should build LW as the only damage items and Q tanks. Just my opinion.

Teut already thinks that LW is the best one-off pure defensive item on stuff like Nasus and Garen iirc. He also said "have Amumu go in [to lock them down] then [you] one-shot Zyra" since she's super squishy and a peeler. Once Ashe is withered and her ult is down she won't do too much.

Thing with Nasus is that a bunch of your damage comes from Qing people.
Early late its got a longer cd and you have no stacks.
Midgame it's maxed, you have CDR, and a bunch of stacks you farmed.
Lategame its damage is the same because you don't buy AD and didn't have time to build many stacks compared to the current damage, plus the autoattack guys have more AS and AD (and crit if they're ranged/Tryndamere/Yi) so you take more damage between 2 Qs.

That's why I don't get people saying "Yeah Nasus is lategame monster". You build up the majority of your stacks during the laning phase, even with max CDR later in the game you can't afford to freeze or just wait to Q every minion when you "push" (you don't splitpush if your lane is still near your former t1) so you don't build as many stacks.
Plus when you're already at 200 + 1XX base damage + 100 AD + maybe a sheen passive, getting another 30 or so damage from stacks isn't as big anymore.
Meanwhile, shields grow stronger, squishies (especially the AD who was behind in levels in the midgame) have more HP and armour, there's more cc, etc.

In the midgame you take ages to kill if you aren't behind and you do 30% of people's HP with your Q. In the lategame you die much faster and you do maybe 15%? and it's harder to get in range to use it more than once or twice in a row. You're comparatively weaker.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 24 2014 15:42 GMT
#1110
On July 25 2014 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:38 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
go for it. I was 22-3 with him in season 3 and have a 64% winrate with him this season. gl


i can go 22-3 with him in bronze 5 too if you went 22-3 your data is worthless because you're playing people far below your skill level


lol dude I was D1 last season and was D1 this season too. just stop.

you're an awful troll and european to boot, nuff said

so was i
whats your point
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 24 2014 15:43 GMT
#1111
--- Nuked ---
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 24 2014 15:46 GMT
#1112
On July 25 2014 00:40 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Uh Amumu can't one shot a Zyra. It is really hard even if Amumu builds full AP. He needs to be very fed while Zyra is very behind.

I feel Nasus should build LW as the only damage items and Q tanks. Just my opinion.

Teut already thinks that LW is the best one-off pure defensive item on stuff like Nasus and Garen iirc. He also said "have Amumu go in [to lock them down] then [you] one-shot Zyra" since she's super squishy and a peeler. Once Ashe is withered and her ult is down she won't do too much.

Thing with Nasus is that a bunch of your damage comes from Qing people.
Early late its got a longer cd and you have no stacks.
Midgame it's maxed, you have CDR, and a bunch of stacks you farmed.
Lategame its damage is the same because you don't buy AD and didn't have time to build many stacks compared to the current damage, plus the autoattack guys have more AS and AD (and crit if they're ranged/Tryndamere/Yi) so you take more damage between 2 Qs.

That's why I don't get people saying "Yeah Nasus is lategame monster". You build up the majority of your stacks during the laning phase, even with max CDR later in the game you can't afford to freeze or just wait to Q every minion when you "push" (you don't splitpush if your lane is still near your former t1) so you don't build as many stacks.
Plus when you're already at 200 + 1XX base damage + 100 AD + maybe a sheen passive, getting another 30 or so damage from stacks isn't as big anymore.
Meanwhile, shields grow stronger, squishies (especially the AD who was behind in levels in the midgame) have more HP and armour, there's more cc, etc.

In the midgame you take ages to kill if you aren't behind and you do 30% of people's HP with your Q. In the lategame you die much faster and you do maybe 15%? and it's harder to get in range to use it more than once or twice in a row. You're comparatively weaker.

On July 25 2014 00:38 Nos- wrote:
NO MY DICK IS BIGGER

At least I don't have to worry about mine getting wet every time I take a dump.


On Garen in particular I don't think LW adds the most damage for its cost. I think as a single item there are others like maybe Hydra that compete with it, I did the calculations a month ago, and I'll dig them up if I remember. It definitely does vs tanks but Garen's not supposed to fight tanks as his sustained damage is not that good. G2g right now.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
July 24 2014 15:46 GMT
#1113
On July 25 2014 00:42 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:38 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
go for it. I was 22-3 with him in season 3 and have a 64% winrate with him this season. gl


i can go 22-3 with him in bronze 5 too if you went 22-3 your data is worthless because you're playing people far below your skill level


lol dude I was D1 last season and was D1 this season too. just stop.

you're an awful troll and european to boot, nuff said

so was i
whats your point


That is probably his most convincing argument.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 24 2014 15:47 GMT
#1114
Argument from apple pie?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 15:50:13
July 24 2014 15:49 GMT
#1115
On July 25 2014 00:46 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:40 Alaric wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Uh Amumu can't one shot a Zyra. It is really hard even if Amumu builds full AP. He needs to be very fed while Zyra is very behind.

I feel Nasus should build LW as the only damage items and Q tanks. Just my opinion.

Teut already thinks that LW is the best one-off pure defensive item on stuff like Nasus and Garen iirc. He also said "have Amumu go in [to lock them down] then [you] one-shot Zyra" since she's super squishy and a peeler. Once Ashe is withered and her ult is down she won't do too much.

Thing with Nasus is that a bunch of your damage comes from Qing people.
Early late its got a longer cd and you have no stacks.
Midgame it's maxed, you have CDR, and a bunch of stacks you farmed.
Lategame its damage is the same because you don't buy AD and didn't have time to build many stacks compared to the current damage, plus the autoattack guys have more AS and AD (and crit if they're ranged/Tryndamere/Yi) so you take more damage between 2 Qs.

That's why I don't get people saying "Yeah Nasus is lategame monster". You build up the majority of your stacks during the laning phase, even with max CDR later in the game you can't afford to freeze or just wait to Q every minion when you "push" (you don't splitpush if your lane is still near your former t1) so you don't build as many stacks.
Plus when you're already at 200 + 1XX base damage + 100 AD + maybe a sheen passive, getting another 30 or so damage from stacks isn't as big anymore.
Meanwhile, shields grow stronger, squishies (especially the AD who was behind in levels in the midgame) have more HP and armour, there's more cc, etc.

In the midgame you take ages to kill if you aren't behind and you do 30% of people's HP with your Q. In the lategame you die much faster and you do maybe 15%? and it's harder to get in range to use it more than once or twice in a row. You're comparatively weaker.

Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:38 Nos- wrote:
NO MY DICK IS BIGGER

At least I don't have to worry about mine getting wet every time I take a dump.


On Garen in particular I don't think LW adds the most damage for its cost. I think as a single item there are others like maybe Hydra that compete with it, I did the calculations a month ago, and I'll dig them up if I remember. It definitely does vs tanks but Garen's not supposed to fight tanks as his sustained damage is not that good. G2g right now.


you're actually wrong LW is by far the best i posted the math in the garen thread
fighting tanks isnt terrible on garen becaue what else can you do when you cant dive lol
your ult is really strong at finishing tanks sort of like chogath ult
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 16:09 GMT
#1116
On July 25 2014 00:42 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2014 00:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:38 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 25 2014 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
go for it. I was 22-3 with him in season 3 and have a 64% winrate with him this season. gl


i can go 22-3 with him in bronze 5 too if you went 22-3 your data is worthless because you're playing people far below your skill level


lol dude I was D1 last season and was D1 this season too. just stop.

you're an awful troll and european to boot, nuff said

so was i
whats your point


point being it wasn't bronze 5, so let me know when you have better nasus stats until then l8er
I come in for the scraps
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 24 2014 16:10 GMT
#1117
KDA means nothing.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 16:11:13
July 24 2014 16:10 GMT
#1118
You really should write a nasus guide VA just like I did for skarner
+ Show Spoiler +
what do you think about nasus' base stats
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 24 2014 16:11 GMT
#1119
On July 25 2014 01:10 Sufficiency wrote:
KDA means nothing.


22-3 is clearly KDA

lol smart one here
I come in for the scraps
DrunkenOne
Profile Joined August 2012
United States302 Posts
July 24 2014 16:12 GMT
#1120
On July 24 2014 23:57 Slayer91 wrote:
name one. (other than lucian, not sure how well he does vs nasus but i have never tested it)
gangplank is pretty shit versus nasus unless you want to just farm up.

quinn is a bit hard but quinn shits on anyone so better have sustain, she cant get away easily from ganks, similar to teemo matchup

I have never played a nasus lane and thought "wow I Shouldn't have picked nasus because x champ owns me too hard"

nasus is pretty overrated mid/late game because of his lack of burst and range but he's very strong at least. He's bad against mass ranged champs and thats pretty fotm atm with lulu/ryze/kayles etc top.

Garen shits all over nasus from my experience

Darius too but then you are stuck playing darius, and darius can do nothing if he is ganked cause wither is gg.
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