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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 03:57:11
June 26 2014 03:56 GMT
#1461
On June 26 2014 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 11:06 Gahlo wrote:
On June 26 2014 11:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 10:47 arb wrote:
On June 26 2014 10:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
Misspelled Dlift's name? Or is it actually Pang?

For the record, I wouldn't say he still does jaw dropping plays. I mean, he can be good, but he's no longer jaw droppingly so. But that's just me.

He's pretty over rated now i feel like

He doesn't feel as crazy good as he once was (he plays a lot more conservative than he used to), but considering the ADC pool in current LCS he's still the best in NA (whatever the fuck that means). I think a lot of it has to do with how gold income has equalized a lot due to more passive gold gain, and CS difference not meaning as much.

I think Sneaky is currently a more well rounded play style that allows for more consistent play, regardless of the meta.

That was maybe true of last split, he hasn't been quite as impressive this split. Also, it's important to realize that C9's playstyle requires Sneaky to play like that, we have yet to see a focused playstyle that revolves around Sneaky hardcarrying his team.

Sneaky is pretty solid though, I'll give you that.

It doesn't help that the jungle buddy meta shits on C9's latent strength of Meteos and Balls having a big impact early, compacted onto, what I can only guess, Hai not being 100% comfortable yet. Not only is the weight put on him, but the meta is making it even harder to do so.

I do think the Double could be even better if Monte put him in the Kog'Maw-corner.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 26 2014 04:00 GMT
#1462
On June 26 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 11:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 11:06 Gahlo wrote:
On June 26 2014 11:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 26 2014 10:47 arb wrote:
On June 26 2014 10:38 Zdrastochye wrote:
Misspelled Dlift's name? Or is it actually Pang?

For the record, I wouldn't say he still does jaw dropping plays. I mean, he can be good, but he's no longer jaw droppingly so. But that's just me.

He's pretty over rated now i feel like

He doesn't feel as crazy good as he once was (he plays a lot more conservative than he used to), but considering the ADC pool in current LCS he's still the best in NA (whatever the fuck that means). I think a lot of it has to do with how gold income has equalized a lot due to more passive gold gain, and CS difference not meaning as much.

I think Sneaky is currently a more well rounded play style that allows for more consistent play, regardless of the meta.

That was maybe true of last split, he hasn't been quite as impressive this split. Also, it's important to realize that C9's playstyle requires Sneaky to play like that, we have yet to see a focused playstyle that revolves around Sneaky hardcarrying his team.

Sneaky is pretty solid though, I'll give you that.

It doesn't help that the jungle buddy meta shits on C9's latent strength of Meteos and Balls having a big impact early, compacted onto, what I can only guess, Hai not being 100% comfortable yet. Not only is the weight put on him, but the meta is making it even harder to do so.

I do think the Double could be even better if Monte put him in the Kog'Maw-corner.

everyone could do better in NA if they weren't so fucking stubborn, and just picked up kogmaw. It would prevent the retarded bush face check, and no vision barons.
liftlift > tsm
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 26 2014 04:03 GMT
#1463
On June 26 2014 12:56 Gahlo wrote:
It doesn't help that the jungle buddy meta shits on C9's latent strength of Meteos and Balls having a big impact early, compacted onto, what I can only guess, Hai not being 100% comfortable yet. Not only is the weight put on him, but the meta is making it even harder to do so.

I do think the Double could be even better if Monte put him in the Kog'Maw-corner.

I just want to see trundle jungle with wits end feral flare. is that too much to ask xD
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 26 2014 04:04 GMT
#1464
Gahlo, I hope you are referring to when Samsung's manager famously banned Imp from playing any champion but Kog in soloqueue until he stopped doing stupid aggro things in scrims.

If not, I am way too big of a nerd.
Freeeeeeedom
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
June 26 2014 04:06 GMT
#1465
On June 26 2014 13:04 cLutZ wrote:
Gahlo, I hope you are referring to when Samsung's manager famously banned Imp from playing any champion but Kog in soloqueue until he stopped doing stupid aggro things in scrims.

If not, I am way too big of a nerd.

wait did that actually happen? That's hilarious
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 04:10:28
June 26 2014 04:09 GMT
#1466
On June 26 2014 13:04 cLutZ wrote:
Gahlo, I hope you are referring to when Samsung's manager famously banned Imp from playing any champion but Kog in soloqueue until he stopped doing stupid aggro things in scrims.

If not, I am way too big of a nerd.

Yes. Yes I am.

BTW- The TSM "Who gives the bowlcut to Loco" tournament has started.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 26 2014 04:15 GMT
#1467
Hm... i just realized. that CLG position that is open, they are saying your salary is actually less than the players make annually.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 26 2014 04:17 GMT
#1468
On June 26 2014 13:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
Hm... i just realized. that CLG position that is open, they are saying your salary is actually less than the players make annually.

Base salary, maybe. Overall, I severely doubt it.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 26 2014 04:22 GMT
#1469
On June 26 2014 13:17 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 13:15 PrinceXizor wrote:
Hm... i just realized. that CLG position that is open, they are saying your salary is actually less than the players make annually.

Base salary, maybe. Overall, I severely doubt it.

maybe. streaming and sponsorships get divided to the players as well.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-26 06:20:29
June 26 2014 06:19 GMT
#1470
If I managed finances for CLG which is basically a bunch of kids (well, they're my age) with arguably no knowledge of how the real world works, I'd probably cut a bunch of costs and skim some savings while including clauses that got me extra money/ percentages from any sponsorship deals, hue. I mean with that sort of lousy pay, they're asking you to either negotiate bonuses or create them yourself.

Who cares that C9 is doing bad, different meta shifts affect teams differently. Remember what happened to TSM last season? Adapt or die/ blame Rito.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
June 26 2014 06:55 GMT
#1471
So I've all but given up on LoL, and now I play Dawngate in its place.

3 years ago League killed my interest in Starcraft 2, and now Dawngate has done the same for League.

aand now I wait for someone to actually create a thread in Other Games about DG.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 26 2014 07:48 GMT
#1472
On June 26 2014 02:47 M2 wrote:
What is the advantage of GA over Zhonya? Regardless of the the champ. GA is a bit cheaper which is smth, but outside of that it doesnt provide some amazing stats worth having it without the passive. Zhonya on the other hand has an active similar to GA passive coming every 90 sec. Way more useful than GA if you ask me. I started building Zhonya on all champs, adc, ad top, ad mid, I don;t care, cant see any drawback in comparison with the GA. Of course sometimes I may miss my active but still it pays off much more than GA's passive that comes what? like in 5 minutes or more I guess.


On squishy champions, not much. On tanky champions it's effectively a 30% health increase when they are the first into a team fight. I suppose much of the confusion here is that people think GA is a good item on squishy champions. GA on a champion who is likely to die last in a team fight or is core enough damage so that the other team can sit and wait out a GA timer is a poor item choice compared to mixed offensive/defensive choices (BT and/or Scimitar) or single damage type defensive items.

So sure, Zhonyas hourglass may be a better choice then guardian angel on many champions. But that is only because GA is a poor choice on the champions
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
June 26 2014 10:17 GMT
#1473
On June 26 2014 15:55 57 Corvette wrote:
So I've all but given up on LoL, and now I play Dawngate in its place.

3 years ago League killed my interest in Starcraft 2, and now Dawngate has done the same for League.

aand now I wait for someone to actually create a thread in Other Games about DG.


Can we start saying daed gaem then? \o/
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 26 2014 10:18 GMT
#1474
On June 26 2014 19:17 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 15:55 57 Corvette wrote:
So I've all but given up on LoL, and now I play Dawngate in its place.

3 years ago League killed my interest in Starcraft 2, and now Dawngate has done the same for League.

aand now I wait for someone to actually create a thread in Other Games about DG.


Can we start saying daed gaem then? \o/

I started saying this back in 2009. Who looks silly now TL?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 26 2014 10:29 GMT
#1475
On June 26 2014 19:18 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 19:17 Serelitz wrote:
On June 26 2014 15:55 57 Corvette wrote:
So I've all but given up on LoL, and now I play Dawngate in its place.

3 years ago League killed my interest in Starcraft 2, and now Dawngate has done the same for League.

aand now I wait for someone to actually create a thread in Other Games about DG.


Can we start saying daed gaem then? \o/

I started saying this back in 2009. Who looks silly now TL?

Which is funny because SC2 is better than it's ever been.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 26 2014 11:04 GMT
#1476
But... but swarmhosts!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 26 2014 11:15 GMT
#1477
On June 26 2014 19:29 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 19:18 obesechicken13 wrote:
On June 26 2014 19:17 Serelitz wrote:
On June 26 2014 15:55 57 Corvette wrote:
So I've all but given up on LoL, and now I play Dawngate in its place.

3 years ago League killed my interest in Starcraft 2, and now Dawngate has done the same for League.

aand now I wait for someone to actually create a thread in Other Games about DG.


Can we start saying daed gaem then? \o/

I started saying this back in 2009. Who looks silly now TL?

Which is funny because SC2 is better than it's ever been.

I thought the game as a whole was dying?
Granted it wasnt fun after the cool new toy polish wore off in beta but still
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 26 2014 11:16 GMT
#1478
On June 26 2014 20:15 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 19:29 Gahlo wrote:
On June 26 2014 19:18 obesechicken13 wrote:
On June 26 2014 19:17 Serelitz wrote:
On June 26 2014 15:55 57 Corvette wrote:
So I've all but given up on LoL, and now I play Dawngate in its place.

3 years ago League killed my interest in Starcraft 2, and now Dawngate has done the same for League.

aand now I wait for someone to actually create a thread in Other Games about DG.


Can we start saying daed gaem then? \o/

I started saying this back in 2009. Who looks silly now TL?

Which is funny because SC2 is better than it's ever been.

I thought the game as a whole was dying?
Granted it wasnt fun after the cool new toy polish wore off in beta but still

It's taken an upswing with HotS aaand I'd rather continue the discussion in OT if anybody wants to.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
June 26 2014 12:28 GMT
#1479
do adc still rush BT into standard items or IE straight? and is essence reaver crap?
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
June 26 2014 12:30 GMT
#1480
IE > Ghostblade > BT/LW
Essence reaver is crap but somehow works for Ez in yoloq.
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