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Quas said that he might play Swain in the LCS if he wants to lose.
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On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine
Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough.
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One of my friends saying Nidalee is beyond crap now since the rework (he used to play nidalee preworked) Is he over exaggerating or no?
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No guys you just don't get it.The champ just isn't played because all the high elo players got in a meeting and decided that they aren't going to play this amazing champion that can 1v9.Trust me I have a reliable source(can't reveal it though).
Yeah nida stronk.
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On June 22 2014 09:06 LightningStrike wrote:
One of my friends saying Nidalee is beyond crap now since the rework (he used to play nidalee preworked) Is he over exaggerating or no?
Probably the exact opposite of crap.
Lets just say shes a permaban every game and say shes bullshit and leave it at that.
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On June 22 2014 09:05 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough.
You can use Swain as a counter pick against melee mid laners.
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Is there any vods of new top Nid owning people?
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On June 22 2014 09:06 LightningStrike wrote:
One of my friends saying Nidalee is beyond crap now since the rework (he used to play nidalee preworked) Is he over exaggerating or no?
She is really strong but has a really different feel. The old school method of pouncing around out of sight and chucking spears is definitely weaker but her all in potential and safety in lane have skyrocketed.
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On June 22 2014 09:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough. You can use Swain as a counter pick against melee mid laners.
How many of those are popular that aren't extremely mobile at dodging Swain snares?
He's a niche pick at best, and there are other champions that punish the matchup better, and have more overall usage.
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On June 22 2014 09:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough. You can use Swain as a counter pick against melee mid laners.
Why wouldn't you just play him top? lol. Then you avoid all the mages and get a bunch of good matchups.
Now that lane switching so popular in 5v5 arranged though he is bad in that setting. Like really bad. No where to play him so that he can get gold in that arrangement, unless you put him with a support in a 2v1 lane, but even then you probably lose too many objectives because swain can't push towers at all compared to AD's.
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On June 22 2014 09:40 canikizu wrote:
Is there any vods of new top Nid owning people?
Watch some Bischu or Seraph VODs on their stream. They do a pretty good job.
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On June 22 2014 10:15 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:26 Sufficiency wrote:On June 22 2014 09:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough. You can use Swain as a counter pick against melee mid laners. Why wouldn't you just play him top? lol. Then you avoid all the mages and get a bunch of good matchups. Now that lane switching so popular in 5v5 arranged though he is bad in that setting. Like really bad. No where to play him so that he can get gold in that arrangement, unless you put him with a support in a 2v1 lane, but even then you probably lose too many objectives because swain can't push towers at all compared to AD's.
hes easy to gank and not mobile enough to handle top lane
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On June 22 2014 10:30 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:15 iCanada wrote:On June 22 2014 09:26 Sufficiency wrote:On June 22 2014 09:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough. You can use Swain as a counter pick against melee mid laners. Why wouldn't you just play him top? lol. Then you avoid all the mages and get a bunch of good matchups. Now that lane switching so popular in 5v5 arranged though he is bad in that setting. Like really bad. No where to play him so that he can get gold in that arrangement, unless you put him with a support in a 2v1 lane, but even then you probably lose too many objectives because swain can't push towers at all compared to AD's. hes easy to gank and not mobile enough to handle top lane
He still better there than in middle lane, imo. There is a chance you get to just bully a like a Shyvana / Nasus/Darius / Jax / Garen / etc hard if their jungler doesn't realize how vulnerable you are.
In mid he just loses because he can't keep an enemy in his dots, he can't shove, and he can't roam. Aside from maybe Kassadin he will be stuck to his tower eating upfront harrass with no way to trade back reasonably and unable to trade midlane.
If I had to play Swain, I'd rather gamble on their jungler not setting up camp top than going 1v1 vs Leblanc.
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Speaking of, after the jax nerf, who well be the go to late game top lane? Ryze? More Shyvana? Back to Mundo? Or still jax?
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Is it just me, or have the solo queue win rate disparities increased a lot over the past few months? There are 23 champions with a rate rate over 52% and 18 under 47%. I may be wrong, but as I recall these numbers were like 50% lower near the end of season 3 or maybe at the beginning of season 4.
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On June 22 2014 11:51 GolemMadness wrote:
Is it just me, or have the solo queue win rate disparities increased a lot over the past few months? There are 23 champions with a rate rate over 52% and 18 under 47%. I may be wrong, but as I recall these numbers were like 50% lower near the end of season 3 or maybe at the beginning of season 4.
I think you are right.
o.o
I remember Wukong being considered broken with a 53% winrate.,
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So why was Rengar disabled in competitive play for so long? Was it the triple Q bug?
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On June 22 2014 10:15 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:26 Sufficiency wrote:On June 22 2014 09:05 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:56 arb wrote:On June 22 2014 06:52 wei2coolman wrote:On June 22 2014 06:49 travis wrote:
why isn't swain played at competitive levels?
he seems overpowered lol Gets shoved in early game. Terrible autoattack animation along with low attackspeed makes his early game beyond painful. He also is susceptible to getting blown up early on. Also he has no good item timings until like the 3rd or 4th item and even then it's pretty underwhelming. lol what. once you get rod youre alot tankier than most people think. His auto animation isnt nearly as bad as you say, getting used to it i can last hit with it pretty consistently and its not even a problem. His 1-5 can be a problem but if you ward and dont over extend its pretty decent. I feel like people who think Swain is a weak character either dont know what they're talking about or havent played him. His main problem is you want to harass constantly with E but against the mages that are popular now you really need to max W to not get shoved in instantly and out roamed imo. His damage and sustain are totally fine Yeah, enjoy trying to get your Rod timing at a reasonable time while you get brutally out cs'd in mid. All while considering your range is short as hell, thus leaving you far more vulnerable to damage, not to mention lack of mobility makes it extremely hard to dodge AoE. It's for the same reason, even if you rush RoA on Ryze, he still feels rather weak at that 1 item timing, sure he puts out a chunk more damage, but with his range RoA simply isn't enough. You can use Swain as a counter pick against melee mid laners. Why wouldn't you just play him top? lol. Then you avoid all the mages and get a bunch of good matchups. Now that lane switching so popular in 5v5 arranged though he is bad in that setting. Like really bad. No where to play him so that he can get gold in that arrangement, unless you put him with a support in a 2v1 lane, but even then you probably lose too many objectives because swain can't push towers at all compared to AD's.
I think he is OK top against certain match ups. But why not just pick Vlad into those match ups instead?
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On June 22 2014 08:01 obesechicken13 wrote:Holy damn Nid's winrate dropped. I'll wait a few more days while waiting for the dust to settle though. I'm thinking the old AP kill everything with spears playstyle is bad now and since Nid needs to spend more time AA ing and in cougar form might benefit from a more bruisery playstyle. How is this even possible? http://www.lolking.net/champions/nidalee®ion=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statisticsNever seen 40% before. Considering how useless the lowest winrate champions are, I didn't think it was possible. Skarner's win rate has risen. It makes sense. His ult can deal more damage.
The league community has this wonderful habit of going "Riot completely changed this champion? It MUST be OP now so I have to brush it off or look up guides on how the champion used to be and play that style. If it doesn't work I can bitch about how it's a failure even though I did 0 adjustments to get used to the changes."
Apparently some people chanted "They've aced Gambit!" at EU LCS when NiQ was killed.
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