[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 78

On June 02 2014 11:18 kongoline wrote:
so xerath has 1.7% pickrate now, guess rework which was supposed to make him more popular failed lol

On June 02 2014 13:04 yamato77 wrote:
A lot of reworks completely suck, to be honest.

On June 02 2014 13:08 justiceknight wrote:


on the other hand am i safe to say LMQ is overrated by losing 2 games now?

On June 02 2014 13:04 yamato77 wrote:
A lot of reworks completely suck, to be honest.

On June 02 2014 13:11 InfSunday wrote:


It depends. I thought the general consensus was that they're good but predictably snowbally and therefore not god-tier - which is what we've seen with the two losses. But I've seen some people say they're easily #1 team NA - so you'd be correct in that instance.

On June 02 2014 10:27 Zdrastochye wrote:


Perhaps, but I think I can hit plat 5 with just 1 runepage and 14 champions, it just comes down to having a roster of champions who work in the current meta.

On June 02 2014 13:19 EquilasH wrote:


I'm willing to bet that NO ONE can do that.

On June 02 2014 13:23 VayneAuthority wrote:


theres people in diamond 1 and challenger that only have one champion played in all their games so 14 would actually be quite a lot. Karthus seems to be a pretty common one trick pony champion in high elo.

On June 02 2014 13:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
disagree with kat and sivir, the old kat was fun to play with the choices on killer instincts and the multiple ways you could level her skills. you could also go full ap/ad/tank builds. Now you always go AP and there is no meaningful choices, just skill spamming. how anyone can think the kat rework was good is mind boggling.

Sivir is more personal preference, I think her ricochet feels extremely clunky to use now and her E mechanics are worse then before imo. also taking away attack speed from her ult was lame because you used to be able to build teams around that, now its just a generic talisman thing.

On June 02 2014 13:12 Sufficiency wrote:


I donno.

According to this list of champion reworks:


Janna Visual Upgrade 2011-07-25
Kayle Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2011-07-25
Tryndamere Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2011-07-25
Gangplank Visual Upgrade 2011-11-25
Ashe Visual Upgrade 2012-05-23
Katarina Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2012-08-09
Soraka Visual Upgrade 2012-09-19
Twisted Fate Visual Upgrade 2012-10-03
Nidalee Visual Upgrade 2012-11-14
Annie Visual Upgrade 2013-01-16
Karma Full Relaunch 2013-03-14
Sejuani Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2013-04-02
Trundle Full Relaunch 2013-04-02
Master Yi Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2013-07-30
Garen Visual Upgrade 2013-10-01
Rammus Texture Upgrade 2013-10-29
Sivir Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2013-10-29
Nasus Visual Upgrade 2013-11-21
Anivia Texture Upgrade 2013-12-13
Xerath Kit Rework 2014-02-11
Skarner Kit Rework 2014-02-11
Heimerdinger Visual Upgrade and Kit Rework 2014-03-18
Kassadin Kit Rework 2014-03-18
Gragas Kit Rework 2014-04-03
Rengar Kit Rework 2014-04-03
Twitch Visual Upgrade 2014-04-22


I can't comment on Tryndamere or Kayle because that's too early for me. For the rest, I think:

Katarina: she is better after rework, although eventually she kind of turned to what she was before, especially after her last R changes. In general, I think rework made her immediately OP, but she did not become fundamentally better
Karma: rework made her playable. But I have to say she was so crappy before that even a monkey could make her better.
Sejuani: rework made her OP but I don't think she became fundamentally better (especially after the subsequent nerfs)
Yi: he is definitely better after the rework.
Sivir: she is definitely better after the rework.
Xerath: rework made him weaker
Skarner: rework made him weaker (?)
Heimer: rework made him OP, then nerfed into hell
Kassadin: reworked, still always banned.
Gragas: can't comment
Rengar: he is OP now due to his Q critting bug, not his rework

On June 02 2014 13:19 EquilasH wrote:


I'm willing to bet that NO ONE can do that.

On June 02 2014 13:18 TheYango wrote:

Did people really expect a 2nd/3rd tier Chinese team to do better than they are?

I mean, given the relative performance of NA and China in the past, I don't think it was ever realistic to expect outrageous things from them.

On June 02 2014 13:47 Sufficiency wrote:


My concern is mostly that I can't play the same champion in every game.

For example, I feel my Katarina is good enough to carry every game in low plat (ok well, every game that does not have LB on the other side). But I don't get to play mid every game. Often I get stuck on a role I don't know how to play, and with a very limited pool to choose from on my smurf I can't even counterpick, so I just straight up lose.