EPT[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 79
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ParadeofMadness
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GolemMadness
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On May 18 2014 08:17 JazzVortical wrote: I want to talk about league again (LS actions worse than Hitler? Come on people): I wish Sorc boots were removed from the game, and I play mostly mages. I don't like that they give you direct combat power apart from move speed. I like that other boot options give more utility e.g. Tabis for the Right clickers, Treads for heavy CC, Swifties for the slows and extra move speed, Ionians for CDR and the straight roaming potential of mobis. I want to try out other boot combinations (for example Swifties + Alacrity + Rylai's Vel'Koz for ultimate kite potential), but I feel like I'm missing out on a much needed damage boost. Anyone regularly avoid Sorc boots? Ninja tabi, merc treads and berserker's all give direct combat power as well. Merc treads also give utility, but defensive stats and attack speed definitely count as combat stats. | ||
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Tula
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On May 18 2014 09:53 Prog wrote: Aren't those problems that other immobile adcs have as well and/or that can be dealt with good picks/bans reasonably well? It does not seem far fetched to me that an oppponent team picks something like Lulu mid and Shyvana top early while Jax and Braum are banned, before one has to choose the adc. The thing is MF is very reliant on her Ult for teamfight impact, so any champion that can cancel it instantly makes her much weaker. Shyvana, Jax, Renekton are all bad toplaners to fight as MF (renekton might be fine if you position carefully), Leblanc, Fizz and Yasuo (fuck windwall...) the same for midlane. Leona and braum as bot supports are very hard to deal with (or make your impact minimal). So we have at least 8 common picks who make MFs life miserable. Compare that to a twitch or lucian who can deal with a few of those (or at the very least don't get instantly cancelled in teamfights) and its obvious why MF is a "weaker" pick. Obviously she can be played (not sure if Samsung won with her, but the fact that they took her in blindpick says it all) but it requires coordination and teamfighting precision that you really can't expect in soloq. edit: regarding the boot discussion, comparing zerkers to sorcs really isn't fair  Yes Zerkers are nice but frankly their impact is far less than the mpen from sorcs. | ||
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Slusher
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On May 18 2014 09:24 chalice wrote: i don't really see the benefits of W before E, but the ozone adc skilled RQWE in the ogn semifinals. the last time MF saw fotm status people leveled W second because the attack speed buff allowed her to stack raw ad items before buying any attack speed, thus getting optimal damage on early game ults, not sure if this is still the way to play her post rework but, the way W+R stack now it would seem likely that going raw ad would still be good. @above post she's traditionally been extremely strong vs. Melee supports because of the way her passive and double up work, again I don't know if that is still true | ||
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Tula
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On May 18 2014 10:01 Slusher wrote: the last time MF saw fotm status people leveled W second because the attack speed buff allowed her to stack raw ad items before buying any attack speed, thus getting optimal damage on early game ults, not sure if this is still the way to play her post rework but, the way W+R stack now it would seem likely that going raw ad would still be good. The reason you leveled W was that the passive part increased per level. Nowadays the passive is an Ad ratio which doesn't change. Yes you can level it for the steroid, but it's a fairly minimal increase (10% per level I believe?). In short fights MFs power is based on the auto Q auto timing, not on her attack speed. E becomes a fairly strong slow and deals decent damage if you level it. edit: yeah she can abuse meele supports (basically Leona, no other meele support is played currently. No idea how braum will be once his numbers get tuned), but a level 6 leona can and should dive her very successfully. I've played a lot of MF during early season 3, and played about 20 games with her since the rework, I still like her a lot, but in many teamfights I'm stuck basically at the far end of nowhere just so i can ult 2-3 people safely without getting interrupted. | ||
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GolemMadness
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Prog
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On May 18 2014 10:01 Tula wrote: The thing is MF is very reliant on her Ult for teamfight impact, so any champion that can cancel it instantly makes her much weaker. Shyvana, Jax, Renekton are all bad toplaners to fight as MF (renekton might be fine if you position carefully), Leblanc, Fizz and Yasuo (fuck windwall...) the same for midlane. Leona and braum as bot supports are very hard to deal with (or make your impact minimal). So we have at least 8 common picks who make MFs life miserable. Compare that to a twitch or lucian who can deal with a few of those (or at the very least don't get instantly cancelled in teamfights) and its obvious why MF is a "weaker" pick. Obviously she can be played (not sure if Samsung won with her, but the fact that they took her in blindpick says it all) but it requires coordination and teamfighting precision that you really can't expect in soloq. edit: regarding the boot discussion, comparing zerkers to sorcs really isn't fair Yes Zerkers are nice but frankly their impact is far less than the mpen from sorcs.And still even there MF has a higher winratio than any other adc! I'm not sure what that means for your analysis. Either MF should be even stronger in organized play, or something is wrong with your account. But my whole initial point was: MF is currently strong and nafta's remark of "a better skill order would be to not pick MF" is wrong. My warrant is a combination of soloq winratio, Samsung taking her in blindpick (and some other games), and my ingame experience. My ingame experience does not count for too much and soloq winratio alone did not convince nafta (because of the Janna case rebuttal), but I do think the combination of those three reasons provide a solid backing for my claim. | ||
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dae
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On May 18 2014 10:15 Prog wrote: And still even there MF has a higher winratio than any other adc! I'm not sure what that means for your analysis. Either MF should be even stronger in organized play, or something is wrong with your account. But my whole initial point was: MF is currently strong and nafta's remark of "a better skill order would be to not pick MF" is wrong. My warrant is a combination of soloq winratio, Samsung taking her in blindpick (and some other games), and my ingame experience. My ingame experience does not count for too much and soloq winratio alone did not convince nafta (because of the Janna case rebuttal), but I do think the combination of those three reasons provide a solid backing for my claim. I got like a 25 game win streak with MF a while ago that carried me to 99 lp D1. E max MF caught so many people by surprise when they got slowed then ulted from like 80% health to 0 at lvl 6. She fell out of favor when everyone was picking assasains, and everyone needed mobility or else they were garbage. When the other team has like 4 people that just jump on you, and you can't do anything but stand and fight, its pretty hard to play MF. Now that the meta has shifted back a bit towards allowing non mobile champions to be played, she is really good. Both her lack of mobility, and that her ult/e get way better vs lower mobility champions help this. This is also why Anivia is making a comeback somewhat in soloQ, she is also better the less mobile people are. | ||
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nafta
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Alaric
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Feels weird considering pretty much everything but her E's already been nerfed big time, and she's still going strong. | ||
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wei2coolman
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ShaLLoW[baY]
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On May 18 2014 10:25 Alaric wrote: Seeing the "popular" Kayle AP blues+red and 0 MPen with zerkers instead of sorcs boggles my mind. She has 6% MPen from masteries and she still dishes out such absurd amounts of damage even to frontliners. x_o Feels weird considering pretty much everything but her E's already been nerfed big time, and she's still going strong. kayle feels so hopeless to play against, you have to burst her down, survive while her ult is up (and she's healing herself while she ults) and then pray you don't get healbaited or a fucking soraka ult | ||
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Alaric
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(Well all in all I'd still feel miserable since they wouldn't pick Kayle after I get Irelia, so it'd be Jax or Mundo as my top and I'd get sad, so can't talk about laning.) | ||
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