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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 18 2014 07:44 GMT
#1601
On May 18 2014 16:43 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 16:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
What does Korean Kayle mean ?

AS heavy runes. Opens Nashor into Runaan's, these two items are core. Zerker Boots over Sorc. Finish with stuff like Deathcap, Void Staff, Rageblade, Zhonya's, etc. Spec 30/0/0 or 27/0/3. R > Q > E > W.

Okay, I ran into this build in normals, and saw the runaans and scratched my head. I guess if the koreans are doing it... Not sure if I really like that choice.


try it. ridiculous DPS/waveclear.
thought it was stupid at first until I actually tried it. i'm convinced it's the next thing (like mid lulu) and should be nerfed in a patch or two.

Is the waveclear really that big of a deal? Shouldn't her E be enough?
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 18 2014 07:49 GMT
#1602
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 18 2014 07:54 GMT
#1603
On May 18 2014 16:49 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 16:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:43 krndandaman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
What does Korean Kayle mean ?

AS heavy runes. Opens Nashor into Runaan's, these two items are core. Zerker Boots over Sorc. Finish with stuff like Deathcap, Void Staff, Rageblade, Zhonya's, etc. Spec 30/0/0 or 27/0/3. R > Q > E > W.

Okay, I ran into this build in normals, and saw the runaans and scratched my head. I guess if the koreans are doing it... Not sure if I really like that choice.


try it. ridiculous DPS/waveclear.
thought it was stupid at first until I actually tried it. i'm convinced it's the next thing (like mid lulu) and should be nerfed in a patch or two.

Is the waveclear really that big of a deal? Shouldn't her E be enough?


it's just a bonus. if it normally takes say 2 seconds to clear a big wave, runaans takes 1. helps with shoving multiple lanes/dirty farming. the DPS is really big though. it applies nashor's passive and kayle's passive as well. just shreds the enemy team.

I guess my gripe with it is wits end sounds like a decent alternative to it. I just desperately want wits end to be good again.
liftlift > tsm
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 18 2014 08:01 GMT
#1604
On May 18 2014 16:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 16:49 krndandaman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:44 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:43 krndandaman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 18 2014 16:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
What does Korean Kayle mean ?

AS heavy runes. Opens Nashor into Runaan's, these two items are core. Zerker Boots over Sorc. Finish with stuff like Deathcap, Void Staff, Rageblade, Zhonya's, etc. Spec 30/0/0 or 27/0/3. R > Q > E > W.

Okay, I ran into this build in normals, and saw the runaans and scratched my head. I guess if the koreans are doing it... Not sure if I really like that choice.


try it. ridiculous DPS/waveclear.
thought it was stupid at first until I actually tried it. i'm convinced it's the next thing (like mid lulu) and should be nerfed in a patch or two.

Is the waveclear really that big of a deal? Shouldn't her E be enough?


it's just a bonus. if it normally takes say 2 seconds to clear a big wave, runaans takes 1. helps with shoving multiple lanes/dirty farming. the DPS is really big though. it applies nashor's passive and kayle's passive as well. just shreds the enemy team.

I guess my gripe with it is wits end sounds like a decent alternative to it. I just desperately want wits end to be good again.

Does Kayle need the MR ?
No. So, Ruunan's is likely better.

I had done a spreadheet for Kayle DPS years ago, but with all the changes it must be obsolete... I guess I'll try and calculate the DPS with this build compared to Nash's into Lich Bane tonight.
The legend of Darien lives on
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 18 2014 08:09 GMT
#1605
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 18 2014 08:16 GMT
#1606
Yo SHC's selfie won with 85% CDR lulu it's totally a legit build.
Glorious SEA doto
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 08:19:13
May 18 2014 08:17 GMT
#1607
sshoklesk, quit beingh sucjh nitches

retpte one handed:: or some shit. bnitcjnes dont want to play but at least milo was on. dickks

" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 18 2014 08:22 GMT
#1608
#drunkposts

And actually soloside was doing nashor's/runaan's/wits from top lane at then end of S3 and dominating with it

I beat him 1v1 with Chogath when he did it gggggggggg
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 18 2014 08:23 GMT
#1609
I really don't get why Kayle would need to be built around waveclear. She already clears full waves in a second, two at most.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 18 2014 08:24 GMT
#1610
On May 18 2014 17:09 krndandaman wrote:
on another note, my friend's epic support build.

he is a gold 2 support main lol

[image loading]

I think that's 85% CDR from runes/masteries since he goes 9/0/21.


Damn that's a lot of CDR...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 18 2014 08:26 GMT
#1611
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 08:32:23
May 18 2014 08:32 GMT
#1612
So what I can gather the new kayle build is basically an AP ADC.
That sounded retarded but you get what I mean
Glorious SEA doto
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 18 2014 08:39 GMT
#1613
On May 18 2014 17:32 Fusilero wrote:
So what I can gather the new kayle build is basically an AP ADC.
That sounded retarded but you get what I mean

Yeah because ADC don't build AD but AS, Crit, Armor Pen, and some AD.

She's just a magical ranged DPS hero with this build, like cait is a physical ranged DPS hero.
The legend of Darien lives on
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 18 2014 08:43 GMT
#1614
On May 18 2014 17:39 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 17:32 Fusilero wrote:
So what I can gather the new kayle build is basically an AP ADC.
That sounded retarded but you get what I mean

Yeah because ADC don't build AD but AS, Crit, Armor Pen, and some AD.

She's just a magical ranged DPS hero with this build, like cait is a physical ranged DPS hero.

Not if riot brings back spell crit :>
Glorious SEA doto
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
May 18 2014 09:09 GMT
#1615
It's amazing to think that Kayle has all this strength and then you remember that Riot made her Ult free to cast.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 18 2014 09:09 GMT
#1616
This kind of stuff happen way too often on reddit

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


And makes me happy that TL does not allow these kinds of nonsense.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 09:46:04
May 18 2014 09:44 GMT
#1617
Runaan's Kayle just has higher AoE dps, her single target dps is actually lower.

Personally I feel like Kayle is much weaker than when she was when I first started playing her. She has lower range on W and R, and lower ratios and her items aren't exactly better. She doesn't get scaling mr with levels anymore. All for some worthless mana buffs and some minor heal buffs.

AP Kayle and On hit scale both have mediocre late game damage scaling and Kayle's laning top isn't great because she's not a great duelist compared to many of the melee champs. I stopped playing Kayle because she was just so easy to bully top and mid. I'm kind of surprised everyone's still playing her. Late game it's so hard to dodge everything and position yourself to be safely making use of your dps.

I've probably done as much math analysis on Kayle builds as anyone and I just don't think she's viable with this Korean build. I'd much rather see full on hit builds to carry the mid game or AD builds with boots of lucidity.

On May 18 2014 17:43 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 17:39 mr_tolkien wrote:
On May 18 2014 17:32 Fusilero wrote:
So what I can gather the new kayle build is basically an AP ADC.
That sounded retarded but you get what I mean

Yeah because ADC don't build AD but AS, Crit, Armor Pen, and some AD.

She's just a magical ranged DPS hero with this build, like cait is a physical ranged DPS hero.

Not if riot brings back spell crit :>

When was this ever a thing to begin with? lol
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 09:53:12
May 18 2014 09:49 GMT
#1618
just played a solo q game (i'm gold 3) against a team with two diamond 1 duoqueuing

ok riot


edit:

i was getting firstpick and crushing my way up with jungle shaco every game and now i lose this game to diamonds and i'm last pick zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 18 2014 09:54 GMT
#1619
btw is Seraph the Nidalee "main" that supposedly was asked for advice by flame on playing her a year ago or so? His Nid is just sick.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 18 2014 10:02 GMT
#1620
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