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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 18 2014 01:33 GMT
#1581
the 5 carry teams with kayle are annoying/impossible to play against in solo q. you just get ravaged by hyper damage and them being invulernable. bonus points if their support is morg...
I come in for the scraps
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 18 2014 01:36 GMT
#1582
MF Taric never forget

The main problem is that Twitch is like MF, except his ult is basically a better version of her ult because it can't be canceled as easily and you can move around while it's on.

The entire idea of having artillery-style spells is nice, but until there's a way to guarantee no poperino from Kha6, LB and co. or block CC, it's very high risk for a not-quite-adequate return. Xerath is similar in that you can blast people from miles away, but the overall lack of mobility really hurts him unless you build a teamcomp around it.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 18 2014 02:00 GMT
#1583
Is Yasuo targetable during his ult? I just had one ult three teammates but not me, after I reduced him to sub-100 HP. I couldn't Q to him so I tried just straight-ult clicking him during the animation (he didn't move, the 3 allies were stacked at the same place) and I couldn't hit him. I know he has his shield, but the sound didn't play and the shield didn't change colour like when you trigger it. That was weird since I thought he was still targetable, is that not the case?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 18 2014 02:26 GMT
#1584
On May 18 2014 11:00 Alaric wrote:
Is Yasuo targetable during his ult? I just had one ult three teammates but not me, after I reduced him to sub-100 HP. I couldn't Q to him so I tried just straight-ult clicking him during the animation (he didn't move, the 3 allies were stacked at the same place) and I couldn't hit him. I know he has his shield, but the sound didn't play and the shield didn't change colour like when you trigger it. That was weird since I thought he was still targetable, is that not the case?

i believe he's untargetable but takes aoe dmg.
liftlift > tsm
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 18 2014 02:29 GMT
#1585
On May 18 2014 11:00 Alaric wrote:
Is Yasuo targetable during his ult? I just had one ult three teammates but not me, after I reduced him to sub-100 HP. I couldn't Q to him so I tried just straight-ult clicking him during the animation (he didn't move, the 3 allies were stacked at the same place) and I couldn't hit him. I know he has his shield, but the sound didn't play and the shield didn't change colour like when you trigger it. That was weird since I thought he was still targetable, is that not the case?

didnt know until i checked the wiki to see about being untargetable, that he can cast Q while holding people in the air for his ult.
wtf?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 18 2014 02:39 GMT
#1586
You can exhaust yasuo during his ult.
Freeeeeeedom
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 18 2014 03:40 GMT
#1587
The eu and na lcs casters should stream themselves drafting their own fantasy league, (4 of the main casters from each region, should be simple enough to pick who.) And then there's something they can follow along with for the rest of this split. Would help build "caster bias" based storylines, would help casters hype up matches, would help fill time, and the drafting could be pretty awesome to watch :D
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 04:43:06
May 18 2014 04:41 GMT
#1588
On May 18 2014 09:23 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 09:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
janna is extremely good against braum so she might make a comeback. any support/ad that is trash in lane really loves braum since there isnt much he can do to stop shitty laners from making it out of lane phase relatively unscathed. Ashe/janna and ashe/zyra have become new favorite lanes of mine

Hmmm I can see why janna would be good vs braum kinda same reason she works decent vs morg.Doubt I'll get to try it though doubt people dumb enough to leave braum leave ban phase lol.


I don't understand this. Janna is bad vs Morg because Janna has neither the damage to pop black shield nor the tools to prevent Morg's engage nor pressure required to force Morg onto a defensive posture. Vs Janna Morg just builds damage and then murders her and her AD while Janna tries to send a tornado or ult which will stop absolutely nothing because Morgana has black shield and none of her engage/pick potential requires her to be in melee range.

Janna should be good vs Braum because the bonus AD on her shield means that Janna's AD will always be doing considerable damage lategame, this negates Braums primary advantage of forcing ranged champions to go through him first because a straight up fight favors the team with the stronger AD. Because Braum does not have the tools to take advantage of Janna's weak laning janna and her AD will survive to the point where they can be effective and it also means that relatively weaker early game AD's can be picked

Lulu should do the same (the 80-100 damage/hit from pix isn't insignificant) though she should also beat Braum in lane
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 18 2014 04:42 GMT
#1589
i could have sworn that yasuo is targetable during his ulti, wtf
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 18 2014 04:45 GMT
#1590
On May 18 2014 13:41 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 09:23 nafta wrote:
On May 18 2014 09:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
janna is extremely good against braum so she might make a comeback. any support/ad that is trash in lane really loves braum since there isnt much he can do to stop shitty laners from making it out of lane phase relatively unscathed. Ashe/janna and ashe/zyra have become new favorite lanes of mine

Hmmm I can see why janna would be good vs braum kinda same reason she works decent vs morg.Doubt I'll get to try it though doubt people dumb enough to leave braum leave ban phase lol.


I don't understand this. Janna is bad vs Morg because Janna has neither the damage to pop black shield nor the tools to prevent Morg's engage nor pressure required to force Morg onto a defensive posture. Vs Janna Morg just builds damage and then murders her and her AD while Janna tries to send a tornado or ult which will stop absolutely nothing because Morgana has black shield and none of her engage/pick potential requires her to be in melee range.

Janna should be good vs Braum because the bonus AD on her shield means that Janna's AD will always be doing considerable damage lategame, this negates Braums primary advantage of forcing ranged champions to go through him first. Because Braum does not have the tools to take advantage of Janna's weak laning janna and her AD will survive to the point where they can be effective.

Lulu should do the same (the 80-100 damage/hit from pix isn't insignificant) though she should also beat Braum in lane


How does her shield giving bonus AD mean that ranged champions won't have to go through Braum first...?
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 18 2014 04:49 GMT
#1591
On May 18 2014 13:45 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 13:41 Goumindong wrote:
On May 18 2014 09:23 nafta wrote:
On May 18 2014 09:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
janna is extremely good against braum so she might make a comeback. any support/ad that is trash in lane really loves braum since there isnt much he can do to stop shitty laners from making it out of lane phase relatively unscathed. Ashe/janna and ashe/zyra have become new favorite lanes of mine

Hmmm I can see why janna would be good vs braum kinda same reason she works decent vs morg.Doubt I'll get to try it though doubt people dumb enough to leave braum leave ban phase lol.


I don't understand this. Janna is bad vs Morg because Janna has neither the damage to pop black shield nor the tools to prevent Morg's engage nor pressure required to force Morg onto a defensive posture. Vs Janna Morg just builds damage and then murders her and her AD while Janna tries to send a tornado or ult which will stop absolutely nothing because Morgana has black shield and none of her engage/pick potential requires her to be in melee range.

Janna should be good vs Braum because the bonus AD on her shield means that Janna's AD will always be doing considerable damage lategame, this negates Braums primary advantage of forcing ranged champions to go through him first. Because Braum does not have the tools to take advantage of Janna's weak laning janna and her AD will survive to the point where they can be effective.

Lulu should do the same (the 80-100 damage/hit from pix isn't insignificant) though she should also beat Braum in lane


How does her shield giving bonus AD mean that ranged champions won't have to go through Braum first...?


Braum's tankiness and forcing the ranged to go through him means that in an even team fight his AD will tend to win. If the other AD is flat out stronger such that Braum loses that fight, the advantage of forcing the enemy to go through him is negated.

The advantage is what is being negated, not the fact that you still have to go through braum. Though Janna can ult Braum away and negate that as well.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 18 2014 05:40 GMT
#1592
On May 18 2014 12:40 killerdog wrote:
The eu and na lcs casters should stream themselves drafting their own fantasy league, (4 of the main casters from each region, should be simple enough to pick who.) And then there's something they can follow along with for the rest of this split. Would help build "caster bias" based storylines, would help casters hype up matches, would help fill time, and the drafting could be pretty awesome to watch :D


That'd be hilarious. I can see one guy interviewing someone like DLift why did he die so much, while DLift explains how it worked out since team won, but the caster gives him a dead cold stare explaining the last death cost him his win that week.

Something like that.
Forever Young
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 18 2014 06:11 GMT
#1593
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 18 2014 06:24 GMT
#1594
On May 18 2014 15:11 krndandaman wrote:
man the korean kayle is reaaally good.
i'm normally bad at kayle and don't touch her for good reason, but just decided to see how op she really is in ranked and damn, it's freelo.

very safe, just perma push lane and dirty farm. you have good early mid late. if you fall behind, you can easily climb back splitting because of her insane waveclear and you'll still be useful with the armor/mr shred passive and ult.

hop on it while you can

If you're behind, you press R on whoever is ahead, and voila. rake in free assist gold. Proceed to be useful despite being behind.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 18 2014 07:09 GMT
#1595
I think Soraka is the best counter vs Braum. I could be wrong though.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
May 18 2014 07:12 GMT
#1596
What does Korean Kayle mean ?
The legend of Darien lives on
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 18 2014 07:20 GMT
#1597
On May 18 2014 16:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
What does Korean Kayle mean ?

AS heavy runes. Opens Nashor into Runaan's, these two items are core. Zerker Boots over Sorc. Finish with stuff like Deathcap, Void Staff, Rageblade, Zhonya's, etc. Spec 30/0/0 or 27/0/3. R > Q > E > W.
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 18 2014 07:22 GMT
#1598
On May 17 2014 12:19 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 11:50 Celial wrote:
On May 17 2014 11:19 dae wrote:
Lategame Feral Flare jungle kayle is so stupid.

I was doing around 500ish damage a hit, over 2 times a second. Thats 3000 hybrid damage done in the duration of my ultimate. To the target and his 2 nearest allies.

It felt like all I had to do was rightclick and whatever I clicked died in a second or two.

Why don't late game adc's do anywhere near this damage >.<

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FF Tooth Zerkers Hurricane Deathcap Voidstaff build, with like 40ish stacks on FF, with like 28 offense and AS reds/quints.


OddOne talked about Hurricane build a few hours ago. He said it's a fun and gimmicky build, but really not suitable for a serious game. Something about the damage not applying correctly to the rightclick target and only splashing the surrounding targets. So essentialy whoever you rightclick suffers next to no damage.

According to OddOne.

korean soloq apparently says otherwise

Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 18 2014 07:39 GMT
#1599
On May 18 2014 16:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 16:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
What does Korean Kayle mean ?

AS heavy runes. Opens Nashor into Runaan's, these two items are core. Zerker Boots over Sorc. Finish with stuff like Deathcap, Void Staff, Rageblade, Zhonya's, etc. Spec 30/0/0 or 27/0/3. R > Q > E > W.

Okay, I ran into this build in normals, and saw the runaans and scratched my head. I guess if the koreans are doing it... Not sure if I really like that choice.
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 18 2014 07:43 GMT
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