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On May 22 2014 01:54 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 18:18 GolemMadness wrote:
How are champions like Velkoz, Jinx, Aatrox, Lissandra, Zac, etc, so much more versatile or anything than a bunch of the older ones? Yea, they kinda are. With maybe the exception of Velkoz. Compare them to their closest champion and not the peak of the early champions (so Jinx to immobile AD's like Ashe and Kog'Maw; Velkoz to immobile mids like Lux). I mean Lissandra has a Dash/Teleport, Slow, Root, and Stun/Zhonya + Slow. That is a pretty amazing amount of utility for a burst mage Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 19:44 MattBarry wrote:
Sona is pretty darn versatile. Probably equal with Nami Sona is worthless*. *OK, not entirely worthless but pretty close. She is dominated in most every aspect by another support.
Leblanc came out in 2010. She has a teleport where she can return to base location, a silence, a slow and a root. And she can do all of those things twice. Or compare Lee to Zac. Or Aatrox to Riven. Yes, some champions like Ashe or Sion are a bit obsolete today, but if you look at champions as a whole from 2011 onward, I don't think there's anything to show that champions are suddenly being given a huge amount more utility or anything in recent times.
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On May 22 2014 06:11 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 01:54 Goumindong wrote:On May 21 2014 18:18 GolemMadness wrote:
How are champions like Velkoz, Jinx, Aatrox, Lissandra, Zac, etc, so much more versatile or anything than a bunch of the older ones? Yea, they kinda are. With maybe the exception of Velkoz. Compare them to their closest champion and not the peak of the early champions (so Jinx to immobile AD's like Ashe and Kog'Maw; Velkoz to immobile mids like Lux). I mean Lissandra has a Dash/Teleport, Slow, Root, and Stun/Zhonya + Slow. That is a pretty amazing amount of utility for a burst mage On May 21 2014 19:44 MattBarry wrote:
Sona is pretty darn versatile. Probably equal with Nami Sona is worthless*. *OK, not entirely worthless but pretty close. She is dominated in most every aspect by another support. Leblanc came out in 2010. She has a teleport where she can return to base location, a silence, a slow and a root. And she can do all of those things twice. Or compare Lee to Zac. Or Aatrox to Riven. Yes, some champions like Ashe or Sion are a bit obsolete today, but if you look at champions as a whole from 2011 onward, I don't think there's anything to show that champions are suddenly being given a huge amount more utility or anything in recent times.
Yes, if you compare them to the few high utility champions champions who happen to not be their analogues there are a handful of old(and not reworked) champions which can look like they have utility comparable to the new champions.
But Lissandra's analogue is not LeBlanc, and Zac's analogue is not Lee Sin, and AAtrox's analogue is not Riven. And Riven, Lee Sin, and LeBlanc are not the only early champions in the game.
Edit: And if you were looking at things relating to the point at which they were released, Riven is decently on this side of the half-way mark (83 of 119). Her contemporaries are champions which people were complaining about how they did everything, champions which we now think do little (or do little or are undertuned) because of newer champions which do even more.
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I really don't think newer champs have more utility....old champions have some pretty crazy utility...the like oldest champions are like Alistar, Ashe, Morgana, Chogath is utility out the ass.
a good reference is this list which can be sorted by release date http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions
What you do see is an increasing commonality of moveblocks on champions, most recent champions get one. But I actually don't think this is that bad, honestly moveblocks make the game way more dynamic and provide a huge amount of outplay potential. Ultramobile champions like LB/Lee/Kass are still just outliers.
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On May 22 2014 06:28 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 06:11 GolemMadness wrote:On May 22 2014 01:54 Goumindong wrote:On May 21 2014 18:18 GolemMadness wrote:
How are champions like Velkoz, Jinx, Aatrox, Lissandra, Zac, etc, so much more versatile or anything than a bunch of the older ones? Yea, they kinda are. With maybe the exception of Velkoz. Compare them to their closest champion and not the peak of the early champions (so Jinx to immobile AD's like Ashe and Kog'Maw; Velkoz to immobile mids like Lux). I mean Lissandra has a Dash/Teleport, Slow, Root, and Stun/Zhonya + Slow. That is a pretty amazing amount of utility for a burst mage On May 21 2014 19:44 MattBarry wrote:
Sona is pretty darn versatile. Probably equal with Nami Sona is worthless*. *OK, not entirely worthless but pretty close. She is dominated in most every aspect by another support. Leblanc came out in 2010. She has a teleport where she can return to base location, a silence, a slow and a root. And she can do all of those things twice. Or compare Lee to Zac. Or Aatrox to Riven. Yes, some champions like Ashe or Sion are a bit obsolete today, but if you look at champions as a whole from 2011 onward, I don't think there's anything to show that champions are suddenly being given a huge amount more utility or anything in recent times. Yes, if you compare them to the few high utility champions champions who happen to not be their analogues there are a handful of old(and not reworked) champions which can look like they have utility comparable to the new champions. But Lissandra's analogue is not LeBlanc, and Zac's analogue is not Lee Sin, and AAtrox's analogue is not Riven. And Riven, Lee Sin, and LeBlanc are not the only early champions in the game. Edit: And if you were looking at things relating to the point at which they were released, Riven is decently on this side of the half-way mark (83 of 119). Her contemporaries are champions which people were complaining about how they did everything, champions which we now think do little (or do little or are undertuned) because of newer champions which do even more.
Nobody's denying that newer champions as a whole are "better" designed than older ones as a whole. That still isn't an argument that the amount of utility is getting out of control or anything. All it means is that they're getting more consistent with their designs, and the few older champions who have been left behind may eventually need reworks.
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Dayum.
Big news: Being a nice guy works.
-edit- The nicest guy ever that is.
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On May 22 2014 07:18 Doctorbeat wrote:Dayum. Big news: Being a nice guy works. -edit- The nicest guy ever that is.
You can probably be as nice as you want once you're famous enough in the relevant population base.
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Patch 4.8 notes are up, incoming Darkness.
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I am nice guy
Clearly problem is not enough elo
5ever alone
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On May 22 2014 07:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
I am nice guy
Clearly problem is not enough elo
5ever alone
Nice guy or not, chicks still dig elo?
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Heh, my gf is hotter than that
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On May 22 2014 07:46 sob3k wrote:
Heh, my gf is hotter than that
ye a bet your right hand is a real stunner.
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United States23745 Posts
Although this patch came it pretty quickly, I like that it is at least light on the changes.
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Noooooooooooooooooo Don't darkness meeeeeeeeeeeee.....
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United States10531 Posts
Like the Soraka changes as it will make her more support orientated, thank god
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Kinda hurts the terror that is ARAMraka tho, right?
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Neo is busy playing diablo 3 with double loot, no darkness, sorry guys.
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