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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

In regards to theorycrafting and hyperbole, please have firsthand experience of the scenario before giving your input

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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 21 2014 21:11 GMT
#2261
On May 22 2014 01:54 Goumindong wrote:
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On May 21 2014 18:18 GolemMadness wrote:

How are champions like Velkoz, Jinx, Aatrox, Lissandra, Zac, etc, so much more versatile or anything than a bunch of the older ones?


Yea, they kinda are. With maybe the exception of Velkoz. Compare them to their closest champion and not the peak of the early champions (so Jinx to immobile AD's like Ashe and Kog'Maw; Velkoz to immobile mids like Lux).

I mean Lissandra has a Dash/Teleport, Slow, Root, and Stun/Zhonya + Slow. That is a pretty amazing amount of utility for a burst mage

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On May 21 2014 19:44 MattBarry wrote:
Sona is pretty darn versatile. Probably equal with Nami


Sona is worthless*.

*OK, not entirely worthless but pretty close. She is dominated in most every aspect by another support.


Leblanc came out in 2010. She has a teleport where she can return to base location, a silence, a slow and a root. And she can do all of those things twice. Or compare Lee to Zac. Or Aatrox to Riven. Yes, some champions like Ashe or Sion are a bit obsolete today, but if you look at champions as a whole from 2011 onward, I don't think there's anything to show that champions are suddenly being given a huge amount more utility or anything in recent times.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 21:35:10
May 21 2014 21:28 GMT
#2262
On May 22 2014 06:11 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 01:54 Goumindong wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:18 GolemMadness wrote:

How are champions like Velkoz, Jinx, Aatrox, Lissandra, Zac, etc, so much more versatile or anything than a bunch of the older ones?


Yea, they kinda are. With maybe the exception of Velkoz. Compare them to their closest champion and not the peak of the early champions (so Jinx to immobile AD's like Ashe and Kog'Maw; Velkoz to immobile mids like Lux).

I mean Lissandra has a Dash/Teleport, Slow, Root, and Stun/Zhonya + Slow. That is a pretty amazing amount of utility for a burst mage

On May 21 2014 19:44 MattBarry wrote:
Sona is pretty darn versatile. Probably equal with Nami


Sona is worthless*.

*OK, not entirely worthless but pretty close. She is dominated in most every aspect by another support.


Leblanc came out in 2010. She has a teleport where she can return to base location, a silence, a slow and a root. And she can do all of those things twice. Or compare Lee to Zac. Or Aatrox to Riven. Yes, some champions like Ashe or Sion are a bit obsolete today, but if you look at champions as a whole from 2011 onward, I don't think there's anything to show that champions are suddenly being given a huge amount more utility or anything in recent times.


Yes, if you compare them to the few high utility champions champions who happen to not be their analogues there are a handful of old(and not reworked) champions which can look like they have utility comparable to the new champions.

But Lissandra's analogue is not LeBlanc, and Zac's analogue is not Lee Sin, and AAtrox's analogue is not Riven. And Riven, Lee Sin, and LeBlanc are not the only early champions in the game.

Edit: And if you were looking at things relating to the point at which they were released, Riven is decently on this side of the half-way mark (83 of 119). Her contemporaries are champions which people were complaining about how they did everything, champions which we now think do little (or do little or are undertuned) because of newer champions which do even more.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 21:45:43
May 21 2014 21:44 GMT
#2263
I really don't think newer champs have more utility....old champions have some pretty crazy utility...the like oldest champions are like Alistar, Ashe, Morgana, Chogath is utility out the ass.

a good reference is this list which can be sorted by release date http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions

What you do see is an increasing commonality of moveblocks on champions, most recent champions get one. But I actually don't think this is that bad, honestly moveblocks make the game way more dynamic and provide a huge amount of outplay potential. Ultramobile champions like LB/Lee/Kass are still just outliers.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 21:49:00
May 21 2014 21:48 GMT
#2264
On May 22 2014 06:28 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 06:11 GolemMadness wrote:
On May 22 2014 01:54 Goumindong wrote:
On May 21 2014 18:18 GolemMadness wrote:

How are champions like Velkoz, Jinx, Aatrox, Lissandra, Zac, etc, so much more versatile or anything than a bunch of the older ones?


Yea, they kinda are. With maybe the exception of Velkoz. Compare them to their closest champion and not the peak of the early champions (so Jinx to immobile AD's like Ashe and Kog'Maw; Velkoz to immobile mids like Lux).

I mean Lissandra has a Dash/Teleport, Slow, Root, and Stun/Zhonya + Slow. That is a pretty amazing amount of utility for a burst mage

On May 21 2014 19:44 MattBarry wrote:
Sona is pretty darn versatile. Probably equal with Nami


Sona is worthless*.

*OK, not entirely worthless but pretty close. She is dominated in most every aspect by another support.


Leblanc came out in 2010. She has a teleport where she can return to base location, a silence, a slow and a root. And she can do all of those things twice. Or compare Lee to Zac. Or Aatrox to Riven. Yes, some champions like Ashe or Sion are a bit obsolete today, but if you look at champions as a whole from 2011 onward, I don't think there's anything to show that champions are suddenly being given a huge amount more utility or anything in recent times.


Yes, if you compare them to the few high utility champions champions who happen to not be their analogues there are a handful of old(and not reworked) champions which can look like they have utility comparable to the new champions.

But Lissandra's analogue is not LeBlanc, and Zac's analogue is not Lee Sin, and AAtrox's analogue is not Riven. And Riven, Lee Sin, and LeBlanc are not the only early champions in the game.

Edit: And if you were looking at things relating to the point at which they were released, Riven is decently on this side of the half-way mark (83 of 119). Her contemporaries are champions which people were complaining about how they did everything, champions which we now think do little (or do little or are undertuned) because of newer champions which do even more.


Nobody's denying that newer champions as a whole are "better" designed than older ones as a whole. That still isn't an argument that the amount of utility is getting out of control or anything. All it means is that they're getting more consistent with their designs, and the few older champions who have been left behind may eventually need reworks.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 21 2014 22:11 GMT
#2265
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-48-notes

4.8 notes are out
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 21 2014 22:11 GMT
#2266
Been wondering why Yellowpete doesn't seem to ever improve? Because he's dating a model and living the e-sports dream.
http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/blogs/League-of-Legends/5183/Interview-with-yellowpetes-girlfriend-Noe/

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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 21 2014 22:13 GMT
#2267
Dude...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 22:18:30
May 21 2014 22:18 GMT
#2268
On May 22 2014 07:11 AsnSensation wrote:
Been wondering why Yellowpete doesn't seem to ever improve? Because he's dating a model and living the e-sports dream.
http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/blogs/League-of-Legends/5183/Interview-with-yellowpetes-girlfriend-Noe/

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Dayum.

Big news: Being a nice guy works.

-edit- The nicest guy ever that is.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 21 2014 22:24 GMT
#2269
On May 22 2014 07:18 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2014 07:11 AsnSensation wrote:
Been wondering why Yellowpete doesn't seem to ever improve? Because he's dating a model and living the e-sports dream.
http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/blogs/League-of-Legends/5183/Interview-with-yellowpetes-girlfriend-Noe/

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Dayum.

Big news: Being a nice guy works.

-edit- The nicest guy ever that is.


You can probably be as nice as you want once you're famous enough in the relevant population base.
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
May 21 2014 22:35 GMT
#2270
Patch 4.8 notes are up, incoming Darkness.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 21 2014 22:39 GMT
#2271
I am nice guy

Clearly problem is not enough elo

5ever alone
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 21 2014 22:41 GMT
#2272
On May 22 2014 07:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
I am nice guy

Clearly problem is not enough elo

5ever alone

Nice guy or not, chicks still dig elo?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 21 2014 22:46 GMT
#2273
Heh, my gf is hotter than that

In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 21 2014 22:47 GMT
#2274
On May 22 2014 07:46 sob3k wrote:
Heh, my gf is hotter than that



ye a bet your right hand is a real stunner.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 21 2014 23:03 GMT
#2275
Although this patch came it pretty quickly, I like that it is at least light on the changes.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
May 21 2014 23:09 GMT
#2276
Noooooooooooooooooo Don't darkness meeeeeeeeeeeee.....
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 21 2014 23:11 GMT
#2277
Like the Soraka changes as it will make her more support orientated, thank god
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
May 21 2014 23:28 GMT
#2278
Kinda hurts the terror that is ARAMraka tho, right?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
May 21 2014 23:30 GMT
#2279
Neo is busy playing diablo 3 with double loot, no darkness, sorry guys.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 22 2014 00:17 GMT
#2280
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