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On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable".
Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence.
Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance.
http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast
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Dude.
Sejuani, Lissandra and Ashe can't all be on the same team.
Duh.
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On April 24 2014 13:57 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable". Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence. Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance. http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast
before s4, "we want carry junglers to be viable"
patch 4.5 "carry farm junglers need to be viable"
hardly "we hate junglers".
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On April 24 2014 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 13:57 Gahlo wrote:On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable". Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence. Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance. http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast before s4, "we want carry junglers to be viable" patch 4.5 "carry farm junglers need to be viable" hardly "we hate junglers".
I feel like they just send a mixed message about Junglers. Like they say this...
We continue to see Junglers taking over games. In particular, damage focused junglers frequently outlevel, outfarm, and outdamage their laning teammates without the level of risk that their counterparts are forced to endure.
...but then go and make Feral Flare, which encourages farming up for lategame damage with very little lane interaction. Not like this is news, but I don't even think Riot knows what they want with the role anymore.
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They want junglers to be able to farm, be able to get invaded upon (or invade enemy jungle), AND be able to gank lanes. Kinda hard to do that with the current meta, along w/ how most junglers are structured these days in terms of kits. Like the only one that can do all 3 is Lee Sin, and that's because he's fucking LEE SIN.
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On April 24 2014 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 13:57 Gahlo wrote:On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable". Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence. Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance. http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast before s4, "we want carry junglers to be viable" patch 4.5 "carry farm junglers need to be viable" hardly "we hate junglers".
Every time there's a strong jungler, it almost immediately gets nerfed.
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On April 24 2014 13:46 chalice wrote:
one of the things i read that about korean teams that i thought was interesting (can't remember if it came from monte or lastshadow) is that they have coaches just for math and timings. like there is a guy whose job it is to make sure the players can quickly calculate/recall almost exactly what combination of skills and how many autos need to be landed at each champion level/skill order/itemization and enemy mr/armor to kill someone with a certain amount of hp or how long it will take a certain champion who just backed to return to lane or make it to baron with various movespeed itemizations/skill usages.
these are concrete things that can be analysed by anyone who puts in the work and they provide real advantages over opponents who are basing their all-ins and dragon attempts on intuition and feel learned from repetition and experience.
Source please this sounds a bit unrealistic.
I'd never take anything Lastshadow says as truth without another source.
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On April 24 2014 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 13:57 Gahlo wrote:On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable". Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence. Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance. http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast before s4, "we want carry junglers to be viable" patch 4.5 "carry farm junglers need to be viable" hardly "we hate junglers".
S2: Yo Maokai Nautilus blows
S3: Dammit Ammumu is still being played
S4: Oops we made Master Yi a soloQ terror lets bring back Amumu
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Riot's approach to junglers is just dumb. They want non-support junglers to be a thing. People start picking high damage junglers that scale reasonably well. Now they say damage junglers are a problem. They want carry junglers to be a thing. People start picking carries and do what carries do best (afk farm). Oh no carry junglers are non-interactive. They accomplish their goal and realize its a bad idea.
The whole idea of carry jungler is super flawed. Either you give the jungle enough farm/damage to create a fourth carry, at which point jungling will by default become extremely un-interactive since, well, that's what carries do. Carries farm until they reach the point where they can begin to take over the game. Laning balances that out since it allows the other team to shut/slow them down. It's considerably harder to shut down a jungler who's determined to just farm while also keeping the laners in check. Even with the 4v0 strat, laning still exists to some extent. If the jungle doesn't have enough resources to create a fourth carry, carry junglers are not viable.
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there was a video linked in one of these threads of a korean pro game where you got to hear the comms of both teams but with english subtitles. I can't find it. Anyone know where it might be?
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On April 24 2014 15:20 Azerbaijan wrote:
there was a video linked in one of these threads of a korean pro game where you got to hear the comms of both teams but with english subtitles. I can't find it. Anyone know where it might be?
Here's the guy's channel.
dem ninjas
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On April 24 2014 14:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 13:46 chalice wrote:
one of the things i read that about korean teams that i thought was interesting (can't remember if it came from monte or lastshadow) is that they have coaches just for math and timings. like there is a guy whose job it is to make sure the players can quickly calculate/recall almost exactly what combination of skills and how many autos need to be landed at each champion level/skill order/itemization and enemy mr/armor to kill someone with a certain amount of hp or how long it will take a certain champion who just backed to return to lane or make it to baron with various movespeed itemizations/skill usages.
these are concrete things that can be analysed by anyone who puts in the work and they provide real advantages over opponents who are basing their all-ins and dragon attempts on intuition and feel learned from repetition and experience. Source please this sounds a bit unrealistic. I'd never take anything Lastshadow says as truth without another source.
i read it a fairly long time ago, really don't remember, if it was lastshadow it was in his ama on reddit.
i don't really see what is so far-fetched about it though, somehow i doubt kkoma is the only person in the skt organization doing analysis and research for both teams. creating a spreadsheet for skill and combo damage values at various itemization and level points for faker to study is something you could hire a reasonably intelligent high school kid with an interest in the game to do for like minimum wage and would give your team an information advantage over its opponents.
just because no one in the west takes the game seriously enough to make that kind of investment into preparing their players doesn't mean that teams in korea with real financial backing and coaching infrastructure don't. once you reach a certain level of mechanical skill isn't the whole game pretty much decision making based on the math of champion stats and time?
with correctly focused research, coaching, and practice i'm not sure there's any reason you can't give a mechanically gifted 15 year old kid a similar level of lane matchup or champion limitation knowledge that an elder statesmen like dyrus has been accruing naturally over years of experience. maybe this is exactly why you see new young and talented players popping up in ogn every season while the professional player pool in NA and Europe seems so stagnant.
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On April 24 2014 14:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 13:46 chalice wrote:
one of the things i read that about korean teams that i thought was interesting (can't remember if it came from monte or lastshadow) is that they have coaches just for math and timings. like there is a guy whose job it is to make sure the players can quickly calculate/recall almost exactly what combination of skills and how many autos need to be landed at each champion level/skill order/itemization and enemy mr/armor to kill someone with a certain amount of hp or how long it will take a certain champion who just backed to return to lane or make it to baron with various movespeed itemizations/skill usages.
these are concrete things that can be analysed by anyone who puts in the work and they provide real advantages over opponents who are basing their all-ins and dragon attempts on intuition and feel learned from repetition and experience. Source please this sounds a bit unrealistic. I'd never take anything Lastshadow says as truth without another source.
You should never believe anything Lastshadow says lol. Ever.
He is a pathological liar,cheater,piece of shit not to mention offered lessons for money then ripped people off here on teamliquid. lol
On April 24 2014 15:38 chalice wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 14:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On April 24 2014 13:46 chalice wrote:
one of the things i read that about korean teams that i thought was interesting (can't remember if it came from monte or lastshadow) is that they have coaches just for math and timings. like there is a guy whose job it is to make sure the players can quickly calculate/recall almost exactly what combination of skills and how many autos need to be landed at each champion level/skill order/itemization and enemy mr/armor to kill someone with a certain amount of hp or how long it will take a certain champion who just backed to return to lane or make it to baron with various movespeed itemizations/skill usages.
these are concrete things that can be analysed by anyone who puts in the work and they provide real advantages over opponents who are basing their all-ins and dragon attempts on intuition and feel learned from repetition and experience. Source please this sounds a bit unrealistic. I'd never take anything Lastshadow says as truth without another source. i read it a fairly long time ago, really don't remember, if it was lastshadow it was in his ama on reddit. i don't really see what is so far-fetched about it though, somehow i doubt kkoma is the only person in the skt organization doing analysis and research for both teams. creating a spreadsheet for skill and combo damage values at various itemization and level points for faker to study is something you could hire a reasonably intelligent high school kid with an interest in the game to do for like minimum wage and would give your team an information advantage over its opponents. just because no one in the west takes the game seriously enough to make that kind of investment into preparing their players doesn't mean that teams in korea with real financial backing and coaching infrastructure don't. once you reach a certain level of mechanical skill isn't the whole game pretty much decision making based on the math of champion stats and time? with correctly focused research, coaching, and practice i'm not sure there's any reason you can't give a mechanically gifted 15 year old kid a similar level of lane matchup or champion limitation knowledge that an elder statesmen like dyrus has been accruing naturally over years of experience. maybe this is exactly why you see new young and talented players popping up in ogn every season while the professional player pool in NA and Europe seems so stagnant.
That ama was basically a hilarious thread of him jacking his own cock and everyone feeding his ego.
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On April 24 2014 14:18 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:On April 24 2014 13:57 Gahlo wrote:On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable". Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence. Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance. http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast before s4, "we want carry junglers to be viable" patch 4.5 "carry farm junglers need to be viable" hardly "we hate junglers". Every time there's a strong jungler, it almost immediately gets nerfed.
minus the fact that junglers overall still having much larger impact in game throughout the game.
you might as well complain about riot hating midlane, cuz of the constant nerf bats throughout this season.
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I am aware this is a touchy subject and I could get banned for posting this, but does anyone on here have any idea how much you can sell accounts for in League? If you do PM me please 
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On April 24 2014 15:45 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 14:18 Gahlo wrote:On April 24 2014 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:On April 24 2014 13:57 Gahlo wrote:On April 24 2014 13:54 cLutZ wrote:On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games. Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable". Yo, don't talk shit on Clarence. Also, Riot continues their "We hate junglers" stance. http://community.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/live-gameplay/POLbQ0Nl-47-patch-forecast before s4, "we want carry junglers to be viable" patch 4.5 "carry farm junglers need to be viable" hardly "we hate junglers". Every time there's a strong jungler, it almost immediately gets nerfed. minus the fact that junglers overall still having much larger impact in game throughout the game. you might as well complain about riot hating midlane, cuz of the constant nerf bats throughout this season.
Leblanc has been a prime mid lane champion since before the season even started. So far Riot has decided that they might do something to her in 4.7.
The only reason Riot hasn't torn down the current state of the jungle is because of how large of a "No, we fucked up we're trying to fix it!" job it would be.
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