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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-24 00:48:16
April 24 2014 00:44 GMT
#641
On April 23 2014 21:05 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 20:45 GolemMadness wrote:
On April 23 2014 20:36 nafta wrote:
On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
If you only first pick Blitzcrank and then get countered and then people react perfectly against you, then yes, you'll have a tough time. But none of those things are always going to be the case. That's like saying you can't play Singed in high elo because you'll always go up against a good Kayle and lose.

Well you see the champs that are REALLY good vs him also are kind of what you see in almost every game anyway.Obviously you can win games with blitz you can win games with every single champ in the game in every position.Doesn't mean it can be used consistently or is good in general.


Of course he can be used consistently. I'm not saying he's a top tier pick or is going to be seen in competitive play or anything; all I'm saying is that he's a viable pick at high elo and it's silly to say otherwise.

define viable


You can play him at high elo and consistently win games.

On April 23 2014 23:47 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 23:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I feel like we bicker over what viable means every three weeks or so.

And by we I mean not me.

That's because every 3 weeks or so someone always emerges out of the woods screaming "amg doodz here did you know THIS CHAMPION FAVOURITE OF MINE is VIABLE in semi-civilized manner.
That by itself is not a problem, but when these people get told that their champion essentially sucks because he both doesn't do anything well AND there's a champ who does everything better the person makes a variation of the following statement:
"yeah that's true, but that doesn't change that this champ isn't VIABLE, maybe not at the highest level of ranked play but he's still viable"
and the moment anyone says anything remotely like that their soul will be forever thrown into the icy abyss hell of Kokytos, where they will endure torture and slow transformation into a terrible demon whose beauty and penis size are inversely proportional to their contributions to discussions.


Actually, I said that Blitzcrank is viable at the higher levels of ranked play because someone said that he's crap once you reach D1 or so because the skill level is too high and everyone is too good at dodging hooks and all that.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
April 24 2014 01:10 GMT
#642


Too gud
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 24 2014 01:26 GMT
#643
On April 24 2014 10:10 canikizu wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN5n6KyG5eE

Too gud

This composition makes me want to throw up on a baby and then punch it.
Pathos
Profile Joined April 2003
United States94 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-24 01:48:45
April 24 2014 01:48 GMT
#644
Monte is your weekly digest show to what Korea's already figured out two weeks ago.

Calling him a coach is an offense to the professional theorycrafters.
ZataN
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand414 Posts
April 24 2014 02:44 GMT
#645
Wow, TL LOL GD has sure gone downhill since I started reading.
CJ BABY | FAKER > PAWN BELIEVE IT
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 24 2014 03:07 GMT
#646
On April 24 2014 11:44 ZataN wrote:
Wow, TL LOL GD has sure gone downhill since I started reading.

Clearly you need to stop observing and ruining the results.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
April 24 2014 03:13 GMT
#647
On April 24 2014 07:05 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2014 06:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I'm also wholly unconvinced in MonteCristo as a coach BTW.


I'm just so confused, like I've really mentioned before, at how someone who spends time watching but not playing pro games and know nothing of the inner mechanics could have any knowledge of improving a team. Like how does he magically become an authority on league strategy? If I never played BW but watched every pro league game, how does that make me magically more knowledgeable than someone who sucks but at least plays? Like isn't it obvious that there's a bunch of stuff you can't learn by just watching?


You can learn a TON of stuff by watching though. Take Harem as an example. Best BW coach I've ever had. <3
darkness overpowering
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 24 2014 03:14 GMT
#648
The king has returned.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 24 2014 03:28 GMT
#649
--- Nuked ---
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 24 2014 03:39 GMT
#650
On April 24 2014 12:14 Gahlo wrote:
The king has returned.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/TSMWildTurtle/status/459094017238503424

Thats just the beginning.
Inc his other 4 accounts in the top 5
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 24 2014 03:41 GMT
#651
On April 24 2014 12:28 krndandaman wrote:
anyone encounter the "freeze" bug?

i've been having some issues where my character just freezes- I can't do anything. no movements, no skill shots.
HOWEVER, I can chat normally, ping is fine, see everyone else's movements properly, minions are fine, etc. When this happens, I "freeze" for like 5 seconds or so.

people have told me its probably packet loss, but I don't see the symptoms of packet loss like I should if it was indeed packet loss.

my champ just walks into a turret and dies, or just stands still while enemy kills me even though I can chat "OMG STOP KILLING ME" and he can respond as well while killing me. searched a bit on google and have seen maybe 1 or 2 threads that have been largely ignored or diagnosed as packet loss with no solution.

halp. I average 1-2 deaths a game due to this

This happens to me at the very beginning of about 2/3rds of my SR games over the last month.
Owned Noob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States731 Posts
April 24 2014 03:43 GMT
#652
does anyone know why maknoon was kicked from najin sword in the first place? what about his general skill level now? is he really washed up or does he not care anymore?
jaedong the man with the huge dong
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 24 2014 03:44 GMT
#653
On April 24 2014 12:43 Owned Noob wrote:
does anyone know why maknoon was kicked from najin sword in the first place? what about his general skill level now? is he really washed up or does he not care anymore?


CLG only looks for potential.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 24 2014 03:48 GMT
#654
On April 24 2014 10:48 Pathos wrote:
Monte is your weekly digest show to what Korea's already figured out two weeks ago.

Calling him a coach is an offense to the professional theorycrafters.

that's more than 99% of NA management/coaching staff though.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 24 2014 03:48 GMT
#655
On April 24 2014 12:43 Owned Noob wrote:
does anyone know why maknoon was kicked from najin sword in the first place? what about his general skill level now? is he really washed up or does he not care anymore?

Everything I've seen was because he couldn't compete on an elite level anymore.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
April 24 2014 03:51 GMT
#656
On April 24 2014 12:48 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2014 12:43 Owned Noob wrote:
does anyone know why maknoon was kicked from najin sword in the first place? what about his general skill level now? is he really washed up or does he not care anymore?

Everything I've seen was because he couldn't compete on an elite level anymore.


Perfect for NA. Be mediocre and still make tons of money.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-24 03:57:06
April 24 2014 03:56 GMT
#657
On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games.


Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 24 2014 04:03 GMT
#658
--- Nuked ---
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 24 2014 04:46 GMT
#659
one of the things i read that about korean teams that i thought was interesting (can't remember if it came from monte or lastshadow) is that they have coaches just for math and timings. like there is a guy whose job it is to make sure the players can quickly calculate/recall almost exactly what combination of skills and how many autos need to be landed at each champion level/skill order/itemization and enemy mr/armor to kill someone with a certain amount of hp or how long it will take a certain champion who just backed to return to lane or make it to baron with various movespeed itemizations/skill usages.

these are concrete things that can be analysed by anyone who puts in the work and they provide real advantages over opponents who are basing their all-ins and dragon attempts on intuition and feel learned from repetition and experience.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 24 2014 04:54 GMT
#660
On April 24 2014 12:56 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 20:29 GolemMadness wrote:
You can play him at high elo and consistently win games.


Then why did we have this discussion at all, there's no champion who doesn't fall into this category


Because people like to be TL hipsters and talk about how they won a game with Sejuani ganking really hard for the totally awesome Mid Anivia. Then someone else comes in and says they won a game vs. Lucian Thresh with Ashe Lissandra botlane. And finally someone tells a story about his awesome Tryndamere games. Then all of the sudden they have a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment and orgasm about the all Freljord composition they just stumbled upon, and declare that it is "viable".
Freeeeeeedom
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