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EU LCS Week 8 Review
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
March 11 2014 20:26 GMT
#1921
I tried team builder once, then I remembered how much I hate blind pick. Never touching it again.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 21:02:50
March 11 2014 21:02 GMT
#1922
Yeah the chat thing if a bug that's been reported to them early on.

Context: xibôx (Xin) dove me (Jax) at level 2 but I was near the tower, he misjudged the distance and gave up fb. Then our junglers both pitched a tent there, ended up something like 5-6 to 3 between us four without missing much farm. Since Xin was hard to 1v1 (shorter cds, lower manacosts) I roamed mid and got NaQDerp (Gragas) + Elise killed. Meanwhile Xin took top, and he kept splitpushing the whole game (turns out with BotRK+Triforce Jax out-1v1 Xin). Gragas asked to report Xin for raging, at the end of the game.
Post-game chat:
+ Show Spoiler +
NaQDerp: He rages so much
NaQDerp: when we die
xibôx: lol
xibôx: :D
Armoric: did he flame you?
NaQDerp: I died twice mid, cause of no ss, and then he rages
xibôx: i laughed when he missed his barrel
NaQDerp: I just said thanks for ss, and then the rage began
xibôx: thats all
Caeser: rofl
NaQDerp: And when you said my mother was a whore?
xibôx: but since i forgot to call ss he raged so hard
xibôx: lol
NaQDerp: Dude, xin dont lie
xibôx: please
NaQDerp: LOL!?
xibôx: report me for that
NaQDerp: I said, thanks for ss
NaQDerp: wtf
NaQDerp: then he raged and called my mother a whore
xibôx: u are cute man
NaQDerp: We lost cause f you xin lol
NaQDerp: and you rage at us
xibôx: sure bro
xibôx: u done being mad?
Caeser: dayum
NaQDerp: I say I dont have ult, and he starts a teamfight and dies in a split second
Caeser: the mother
NaQDerp: and then rages
xibôx: maybe you should take a cup of tea
xibôx: that usually calms me down
NaQDerp: Maybe you should relax
Caeser: rofl
NaQDerp: instead of saying bad things to other people
NaQDerp: seriously, why do you even say things like that?

Then the catalyst, our Morgana with the sensible suggestion:
Caeser: maybe you both suck each other balls?
xibôx: :D
NaQDerp: You even wished me cancer

Then Hell unleashes:
+ Show Spoiler +
xibôx: this grag
NaQDerp: Caeser
xibôx: is so butthurt
Caeser: ROFL
NaQDerp: I will fuck you, you son of a fucking bitch
xibôx: lol
xibôx: there we go
NaQDerp: THE GAME WAS 3V7 YOU SONS OF BITCHES
Caeser: cmon fuck me
NaQDerp: FUCKING
NaQDerp: NO
NaQDerp: SS
xibôx: was that better?
NaQDerp: YOU
NaQDerp: FUCKING BITCHES
NaQDerp: FUCKING
NaQDerp: NO
NaQDerp: SS
xibôx: come on
Caeser: FUCKING BITCHEs
Caeser: NOOB
xibôx: get it all out
NaQDerp: FUCKINNNNNNNNNNG NO SS
Caeser: WHORE
Caeser: MOTHER
xibôx: let all the rage out
NaQDerp: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING NO SS YOU SONS OF BITCHES
Caeser: FUCK YA ALL#
xibôx: ;D
NaQDerp: YOU FUCKING ALL SUCKED
NaQDerp: I WON MY GAY LANE, AND THEN I GET CAMPED
Caeser: NOOOOOOOOOOO SSSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU FUCKERS
NaQDerp: SO GOOOOOOOOOOOD
NaQDerp: FUCKING
NaQDerp: NO
NaQDerp: SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
NaQDerp: YOU SONS OF BITCHES
xibôx: this is gold
Caeser: GG XIN
Caeser: FUCK YOU XIN
xibôx: im gonna screenshot this and get it on reddit
Caeser: rofl
xibôx: oh
xibôx: he left
xibôx: :<
Caeser: haha
xibôx: that man
Caeser: that was great
Caeser: lol
xibôx: got some anger issues
xibôx: thats how gragas was the entire game lol
Caeser: that fatty
Caeser: lol
xibôx: yea always the fat ppl
Caeser: have a nice day
xibôx: :D
xibôx: u2


Well the positive side is that I feel like a reasonable person now. ._. At least I know who to report.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 11 2014 21:31 GMT
#1923
Writing funny error messages is one of the great joys of life. I salute the Riot employee that wrote "The lobby has been destroyed."
I am the Town Medic.
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
March 11 2014 23:23 GMT
#1924
On March 12 2014 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Just did teambuilder. Pretty impressed, queued up for Diana Jungle (cuz recent talk), only had to wait 2 minutes for a full group. Team felt really coherent, no BM at all. Everyone was pleasant, people listened to pings and shit, followed up on dragon calls and stuff, was pretty good. Ended up forcing enemy team to surrender at 20min mark. GJ rito


I tried it once playing ahri mid, took 30 minutes to find a team. I didn't even remember I was still queued because I had played ~3 games of hearthstone before it popped.
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 11 2014 23:31 GMT
#1925
On March 12 2014 08:23 Thermia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Just did teambuilder. Pretty impressed, queued up for Diana Jungle (cuz recent talk), only had to wait 2 minutes for a full group. Team felt really coherent, no BM at all. Everyone was pleasant, people listened to pings and shit, followed up on dragon calls and stuff, was pretty good. Ended up forcing enemy team to surrender at 20min mark. GJ rito


I tried it once playing ahri mid, took 30 minutes to find a team. I didn't even remember I was still queued because I had played ~3 games of hearthstone before it popped.

wow. that sucks. I must of been lucky. :/
liftlift > tsm
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
March 11 2014 23:44 GMT
#1926
I've been able to find teams in less than a minute and get games started in less than five, exclusively jungling. From the sounds of some of the captains though, they had been waiting for much longer on average.
Trust in Bayes.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 11 2014 23:59 GMT
#1927
Tune into Dyrus' stream and he misses a cs: "Fuck I'm gonna die, I'm so bad."

Nice to know he never changes.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 00:00:24
March 11 2014 23:59 GMT
#1928
Some of the basic summaries I got from Eii's data:
+ Show Spoiler +


Blue/red vs win rate
lose win
bottom side 0.4470193 0.5529807
top side 0.5529807 0.4470193




Champion frequency
Annie 0.17444500
Olaf 0.05249546
Galio 0.01124789
TwistedFate 0.04007402
XinZhao 0.07421995
Urgot 0.01221314
Leblanc 0.11751121
Vladimir 0.05679870
FiddleSticks 0.09492184
Kayle 0.08918017
MasterYi 0.14342273
Alistar 0.05669908
Ryze 0.03419801
Sion 0.02133809
Sivir 0.14934025
Soraka 0.09871039
Teemo 0.19527368
Tristana 0.08374036
Warwick 0.09702894
Nunu 0.03365010
MissFortune 0.05568779
Ashe 0.19717097
Tryndamere 0.09656556
Jax 0.15583285
Morgana 0.09208497
Zilean 0.02104452
Singed 0.03853823
Evelynn 0.04037212
Twitch 0.04603380
Karthus 0.02153809
Chogath 0.05539045
Amumu 0.08697270
Rammus 0.03065625
Anivia 0.02087094
Shaco 0.06879675
DrMundo 0.09295059
Sona 0.08808662
Kassadin 0.04210338
Irelia 0.04037061
Janna 0.05887938
Gangplank 0.03790882
Corki 0.02656583
Karma 0.03596172
Taric 0.05865674
Veigar 0.04919520
Trundle 0.06122042
Swain 0.02606321
Caitlyn 0.25719597
Blitzcrank 0.17832637
Malphite 0.06164305
Katarina 0.11639050
Nocturne 0.04399463
Maokai 0.01860084
Renekton 0.15199902
JarvanIV 0.06380448
Elise 0.10040995
Orianna 0.04975141
MonkeyKing 0.19063989
Brand 0.03844993
LeeSin 0.26594584
Vayne 0.20768757
Rumble 0.01826349
Cassiopeia 0.02882084
Skarner 0.01860612
Heimerdinger 0.04798090
Nasus 0.15082095
Nidalee 0.15677017
Udyr 0.07944090
Poppy 0.02371310
Gragas 0.11822666
Pantheon 0.13452494
Ezreal 0.17883428
Mordekaiser 0.02844954
Yorick 0.01716693
Akali 0.08881490
Kennen 0.02540361
Garen 0.09511203
Leona 0.27344292
Malzahar 0.03315880
Talon 0.03953291
Riven 0.12601355
KogMaw 0.02329727
Shen 0.04994310
Lux 0.12615392
Xerath 0.06521575
Shyvana 0.10771610
Ahri 0.06089742
Graves 0.07334980
Fizz 0.07132345
Volibear 0.08231626
Rengar 0.06253358
Varus 0.09255136
Nautilus 0.03445686
Viktor 0.01742427
Sejuani 0.02771447
Fiora 0.05001026
Ziggs 0.11539356
Lulu 0.10322419
Draven 0.09735194
Hecarim 0.04383615
Khazix 0.16788373
Darius 0.09924471
Jayce 0.03398066
Lissandra 0.02320520
Diana 0.05082156
Quinn 0.06016990
Syndra 0.03756770
Zyra 0.05127890
Zac 0.02820577
Yasuo 0.17995424
Velkoz 0.07599800
Jinx 0.24374589
Lucian 0.19103912
Zed 0.14697807
Vi 0.16779694
Aatrox 0.05469160
Nami 0.06225058
Thresh 0.31051328


Champion win rate

Annie 0.4948821
Olaf 0.4580141
Galio 0.5043612
TwistedFate 0.4523352
XinZhao 0.5126341
Urgot 0.4289687
Leblanc 0.4583580
Vladimir 0.4602517
FiddleSticks 0.5218007
Kayle 0.5217318
MasterYi 0.5014681
Alistar 0.4514369
Ryze 0.4651322
Sion 0.4827050
Sivir 0.5285699
Soraka 0.5091287
Teemo 0.5271443
Tristana 0.4841655
Warwick 0.5230928
Nunu 0.4811384
MissFortune 0.4970117
Ashe 0.5083346
Tryndamere 0.5200932
Jax 0.5103930
Morgana 0.5111993
Zilean 0.4957504
Singed 0.5006756
Evelynn 0.4738387
Twitch 0.4990081
Karthus 0.4842146
Chogath 0.4694053
Amumu 0.5426273
Rammus 0.5225130
Anivia 0.4895679
Shaco 0.4814335
DrMundo 0.4789630
Sona 0.5220915
Kassadin 0.5078779
Irelia 0.4795207
Janna 0.5102284
Gangplank 0.4820131
Corki 0.4781682
Karma 0.4795702
Taric 0.5118433
Veigar 0.4666953
Trundle 0.4887204
Swain 0.5273780
Caitlyn 0.5005707
Blitzcrank 0.5158978
Malphite 0.5066846
Katarina 0.5215240
Nocturne 0.4922034
Maokai 0.4812756
Renekton 0.4938135
JarvanIV 0.5034775
Elise 0.4833218
Orianna 0.4894498
MonkeyKing 0.5505192
Brand 0.5193334
LeeSin 0.4806649
Vayne 0.4668854
Rumble 0.4900826
Cassiopeia 0.4858729
Skarner 0.4718504
Heimerdinger 0.5283672
Nasus 0.5027296
Nidalee 0.4837287
Udyr 0.4979527
Poppy 0.4865536
Gragas 0.4878843
Pantheon 0.4966003
Ezreal 0.4788660
Mordekaiser 0.4991113
Yorick 0.4996263
Akali 0.5145559
Kennen 0.4908945
Garen 0.4900498
Leona 0.5313682
Malzahar 0.5229306
Talon 0.5213714
Riven 0.4826380
KogMaw 0.4963719
Shen 0.4689091
Lux 0.4986360
Xerath 0.4752123
Shyvana 0.4986163
Ahri 0.4861201
Graves 0.4914293
Fizz 0.4952543
Volibear 0.5087327
Rengar 0.4793386
Varus 0.4945978
Nautilus 0.4672011
Viktor 0.4957554
Sejuani 0.5013479
Fiora 0.5377418
Ziggs 0.5232829
Lulu 0.5015024
Draven 0.5217759
Hecarim 0.4984419
Khazix 0.5021218
Darius 0.4947910
Jayce 0.4836317
Lissandra 0.4772668
Diana 0.4869396
Quinn 0.4954846
Syndra 0.4787762
Zyra 0.4994187
Zac 0.4730294
Yasuo 0.5008136
Velkoz 0.4927756
Jinx 0.5145290
Lucian 0.5019713
Zed 0.4631867
Vi 0.5227783
Aatrox 0.4865805
Nami 0.5084925
Thresh 0.5020841
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 12 2014 00:02 GMT
#1929
Bot lane blue vs red side is so frustrating to play.At any point if you are blue and you get poked you can just go heal or get golems while on red side it is more likely wraith will kill you...Would be great if riot finally after 4 fucking seasons just made the lane fair.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 00:06:46
March 12 2014 00:05 GMT
#1930
On March 12 2014 08:59 Gahlo wrote:
Tune into Dyrus' stream and he misses a cs: "Fuck I'm gonna die, I'm so bad."

Nice to know he never changes.

That's pretty normal when pro's stream when they miss a cs. Usually the line goes around "I'm so fucking bad" or "god, i'm such a scrub".
On March 12 2014 09:02 nafta wrote:
Bot lane blue vs red side is so frustrating to play.At any point if you are blue and you get poked you can just go heal or get golems while on red side it is more likely wraith will kill you...Would be great if riot finally after 4 fucking seasons just made the lane fair.

That more has to do with double golems glitching out cuz they're melee, if they made golems not glitch out it wouldn't be that big of an issue.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 12 2014 00:08 GMT
#1931
You could still simply kite them and heal.Which can be a HUGE difference.Them glitching out like drake is just dumb doe definitely.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 12 2014 00:10 GMT
#1932
Amumu highest winrate at 54%. Others at 52. Janna is pretty damn low with that 47%, as low as Skarner, but still higher than Zed's 46% (wtf) while Heimer's 52% and Swain's 52.7 are suprisingly high.
Can the data take the bans into account to? I assume it can since lolnexus shows the bans.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 00:14:39
March 12 2014 00:11 GMT
#1933
On March 12 2014 09:02 nafta wrote:
Bot lane blue vs red side is so frustrating to play.At any point if you are blue and you get poked you can just go heal or get golems while on red side it is more likely wraith will kill you...Would be great if riot finally after 4 fucking seasons just made the lane fair.


While I don't doubt Eiii's data are correct, the 55% win rate on bottom side seems ridiculous. Maybe it's because there are a lot of ARAMs in it, although I somewhat doubt it because I know ARAMs are not played that often.

On March 12 2014 09:10 Alaric wrote:
Amumu highest winrate at 54%. Others at 52. Janna is pretty damn low with that 47%, as low as Skarner, but still higher than Zed's 46% (wtf) while Heimer's 52% and Swain's 52.7 are suprisingly high.
Can the data take the bans into account to? I assume it can since lolnexus shows the bans.


I only asked Eiii for the champions played, which side, and which side won. I did not ask for any of the other info. Unfortunately Eiii did not mine everything (these games can be normal, ranked, or even ARAM), but looking at the win % I think they are fairly consistent with what I see from lolking.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 12 2014 00:19 GMT
#1934
Why do pro junglers build elder lizard over wraith on Eve? Doesn't she only proc the true damage with her E and autos? I don't jungle much nor do I play Eve so maybe there is something I'm missing, but feels like wraith would be much better.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
March 12 2014 00:24 GMT
#1935
On March 12 2014 08:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 08:23 Thermia wrote:
On March 12 2014 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Just did teambuilder. Pretty impressed, queued up for Diana Jungle (cuz recent talk), only had to wait 2 minutes for a full group. Team felt really coherent, no BM at all. Everyone was pleasant, people listened to pings and shit, followed up on dragon calls and stuff, was pretty good. Ended up forcing enemy team to surrender at 20min mark. GJ rito


I tried it once playing ahri mid, took 30 minutes to find a team. I didn't even remember I was still queued because I had played ~3 games of hearthstone before it popped.

wow. that sucks. I must of been lucky. :/


As of when NA live beta started the highest demand for positions has been junglers, then supports. In that context it isn't surprising I think, hopefully whatever Riot has up their sleeve to deal with differences in role demand will help (they said they were working on something).
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 12 2014 00:24 GMT
#1936
On March 12 2014 09:19 schmutttt wrote:
Why do pro junglers build elder lizard over wraith on Eve? Doesn't she only proc the true damage with her E and autos? I don't jungle much nor do I play Eve so maybe there is something I'm missing, but feels like wraith would be much better.

pretty sure her e doesnt proc onhit
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 00:29:59
March 12 2014 00:29 GMT
#1937
Her Q used to trigger the passive, and the AD from the item also did as much damage as the AP from Wraith spirit for her Q and E. Add to that that the AD also enhances her autos when chasing and taking camps/objectives (with the massive AS from E) and it was much better for her damage-wise.
I guess the smoother build-up from long swords and faster jungle clearr is better for her than potentially getting 30 free AP from the passive (I didn't even know about that one, wiki just taught it to me).

Her E triggers Incinerate still because it triggers on dealing physical damage.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 12 2014 00:30 GMT
#1938
Ok, is it just me, or does the team builder format make absolutely no sense? When I first heard about it, I assumed it'd be the same as queues right now, except when you join the queue, you pick a position, and when other people in your elo have each of the positions selected, the queue pops. Then you just have a normal champion select where everyone plays whatever role they selected.

The way it is now is needlessly complex and leads to bizarrely long queue times. What's the point of selecting fighter or mage for a champion? Why do you need to pick the champion in advance? I just don't understand this. If it were my way, it'd not only be much easier to get up and running, but you'd actually be able to form team comps and communicate with each other in lobby, and it could be draft pick as well.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 00:34:58
March 12 2014 00:30 GMT
#1939
On March 12 2014 04:11 imBLIND wrote:
Personally, they really should get rid of the "marksman, assassin, mage, tank, etc" thing and just put the lane. Then once we've picked those lanes, we would go into normal champ selection and we'd be able to pick our stuff there. It takes me 20 minutes to find a game sometimes because no one has the "jungler/tank" description filled out.


One problem Riot found with champ select in lobby (rather than pre lobby) is that people get more judgmental about other people's picks. People who wanted to play a bit of an off meta or unpopular pick for a lane would always get cajoled by their teammates into picking something more standard. The current system, as it turns out, helps those people who just want to play champ X, and because they can't change they don't get badgered (psychology!). If they do get badgered they can still find another game.

edit: edit city, sorrez.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-12 00:34:38
March 12 2014 00:33 GMT
#1940
I just hate how hard it is to find a god damned AD in team builder. Like holy fuck.

I actually had an AD tell us to go fuck ourselves because she was Vayne and out team wasn't a protect the AD setup.
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