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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 11 2014 13:15 GMT
#1881
You don't advocate for SV anymore? Why, because Garen's dps has little care for the CDR and the spell shield > increased regen (esp. since your passive won't work in combat)?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 11 2014 13:19 GMT
#1882
On March 11 2014 22:14 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Haha, what damage items, if any, do you recommend on garen?

Well obviously you want a Haunting Guise ASAP. After that, I typically go for a Madred's Razors followed by a Runaan's Hurricane. What you build after that depends on the matchup; sometimes I opt for a Mejai's Soulstealer, other times I get a Twin Shadows. Regardless at some point you'll want a Tear, which is really good on him because you can spam his spells since he has no mana costs.


I think I've found out why you're stuck in silver.
Hey! How you doin'?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 13:20:35
March 11 2014 13:20 GMT
#1883
i never advocated sv (cept vs rumble or whatever when it was still good and bveil wasnt)
it was a bad buy even at 20% cdr
cdr is mostly worthless on his W and R and mostly on E because the cd starts after spin ends. CD on q starts after hit lands and you use it to close gap so mostly shitty on that too


lol 20% regen on your pasisve
its like 5 hp5
buy 1 potion and over 20 minuets it'll be just as good
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 11 2014 13:31 GMT
#1884
On March 11 2014 22:11 Zdrastochye wrote:
Supports get the praise they need. with s4 supports being monsters compared to the previous 3 seasons those good at the support role can have more of an influence on the game than before by being able to contribute with damage as well as their usual roles of warding/ward clearing/peeling/engaging. With the extra gold they have they should either stack up on the good active items or get damage (based on what their team needs) and should actually be carrying team fights if they play right. I liked being ward bitch in s3 but s4 support isnt' bad or anything. I'd say it's actually right about where riot wanted the role to be.

Eh. Good supports carry less hard now IMO. Part of that is the fotm champs, part is less ward domination, and part is that everyone Carries less hard because the game is less snowbally.
Freeeeeeedom
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 13:37:46
March 11 2014 13:34 GMT
#1885
On March 11 2014 22:31 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:11 Zdrastochye wrote:
Supports get the praise they need. with s4 supports being monsters compared to the previous 3 seasons those good at the support role can have more of an influence on the game than before by being able to contribute with damage as well as their usual roles of warding/ward clearing/peeling/engaging. With the extra gold they have they should either stack up on the good active items or get damage (based on what their team needs) and should actually be carrying team fights if they play right. I liked being ward bitch in s3 but s4 support isnt' bad or anything. I'd say it's actually right about where riot wanted the role to be.

Eh. Good supports carry less hard now IMO. Part of that is the fotm champs, part is less ward domination, and part is that everyone Carries less hard because the game is less snowbally.



So you're saying my 80% (now 70% QQ) win-rate on Leona was because i got carried? I know i played bad people most of the time, but saying that I'm carrying less is a bloody lie, cus i hit most of my shit perfect.


EDIT: Which brings us back to what nafta was trying to say. In the d1-d2 area it portrays itself through hitting your shit, if you do it, people will praise you. At lower levels, it's just easier.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
March 11 2014 13:37 GMT
#1886
On March 11 2014 22:19 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:14 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On March 11 2014 22:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Haha, what damage items, if any, do you recommend on garen?

Well obviously you want a Haunting Guise ASAP. After that, I typically go for a Madred's Razors followed by a Runaan's Hurricane. What you build after that depends on the matchup; sometimes I opt for a Mejai's Soulstealer, other times I get a Twin Shadows. Regardless at some point you'll want a Tear, which is really good on him because you can spam his spells since he has no mana costs.


I think I've found out why you're stuck in silver.

Yeah, cause my noob teammates never gank. I mean come on, how do you expect me to win my lane if my jungler never shows up? Seriously, Akali had to burn her ult in order to kill me.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 11 2014 13:38 GMT
#1887
On March 11 2014 22:13 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Haha, what damage items, if any, do you recommend on garen?


bc/lw optional

bc is good lategameish especially, lw is good at any time but at earliest after your first tank item (usually sunfire/bv sometimes hexdrinker+giants)

Shiv is p good imo.

also does sheen work on garens Q?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 11 2014 13:41 GMT
#1888
On March 11 2014 22:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:19 Zdrastochye wrote:
On March 11 2014 22:14 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On March 11 2014 22:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Haha, what damage items, if any, do you recommend on garen?

Well obviously you want a Haunting Guise ASAP. After that, I typically go for a Madred's Razors followed by a Runaan's Hurricane. What you build after that depends on the matchup; sometimes I opt for a Mejai's Soulstealer, other times I get a Twin Shadows. Regardless at some point you'll want a Tear, which is really good on him because you can spam his spells since he has no mana costs.


I think I've found out why you're stuck in silver.

Yeah, cause my noob teammates never gank. I mean come on, how do you expect me to win my lane if my jungler never shows up? Seriously, Akali had to burn her ult in order to kill me.


Your Reddit impression is immaculate.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 11 2014 13:47 GMT
#1889
On March 11 2014 22:13 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Haha, what damage items, if any, do you recommend on garen?


bc/lw optional

bc is good lategameish especially, lw is good at any time but at earliest after your first tank item (usually sunfire/bv sometimes hexdrinker+giants)

I'm very disappointed in you, I was sure that you if anyone would appreciate the manliness that is IE Garen.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 11 2014 13:50 GMT
#1890
Real men call Sunfire and Hexdrinker damage items.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 11 2014 13:57 GMT
#1891
On March 11 2014 22:47 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:13 Slayer91 wrote:
On March 11 2014 22:08 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Haha, what damage items, if any, do you recommend on garen?


bc/lw optional

bc is good lategameish especially, lw is good at any time but at earliest after your first tank item (usually sunfire/bv sometimes hexdrinker+giants)

I'm very disappointed in you, I was sure that you if anyone would appreciate the manliness that is IE Garen.


its trash
you gain half the benefit of the crit dmg
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 11 2014 14:11 GMT
#1892
On March 11 2014 22:50 Ketara wrote:
Real men call Sunfire and Hexdrinker damage items.

Sunfire is a damage item in the OP as fuck magic pen shen build with thornmail and sunfire.
Glorious SEA doto
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 11 2014 14:28 GMT
#1893
So I've been out of the LoL loop for awhile now, has there been a Ryze resurgence? The Rogue Mage is my one true love, played him yesterday and he felt pretty decent.
I am the Town Medic.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 14:32:12
March 11 2014 14:31 GMT
#1894
On March 11 2014 23:28 Alzadar wrote:
So I've been out of the LoL loop for awhile now, has there been a Ryze resurgence? The Rogue Mage is my one true love, played him yesterday and he felt pretty decent.

Tear got buffed and so did the range of his Q, as far as a resurgence goes he has been only been played by nien in LCS and later on it got banned against him. Besides that it's been quiet on the ryze front but that's the only games on the current patch with the ryze/tear buffs.
Glorious SEA doto
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 14:53:30
March 11 2014 14:53 GMT
#1895
Not sure the Tear buff is a big deal. Over 20 minutes it's 150 stacks, that doesn't take long at all for Ryze.

With Banshee's no longer giving mana and Spirit Visage totally unappealing, I feel like Tear -> Rod -> Frozen (with Negatron somewhere for eventual GA) is the way to go now.
I am the Town Medic.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
March 11 2014 15:01 GMT
#1896
On March 11 2014 23:28 Alzadar wrote:
So I've been out of the LoL loop for awhile now, has there been a Ryze resurgence? The Rogue Mage is my one true love, played him yesterday and he felt pretty decent.

Eh? you just dated him yesterday and already called him your true love?
slow down buddy.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 15:06:05
March 11 2014 15:05 GMT
#1897
On March 12 2014 00:01 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 23:28 Alzadar wrote:
So I've been out of the LoL loop for awhile now, has there been a Ryze resurgence? The Rogue Mage is my one true love, played him yesterday and he felt pretty decent.

Eh? you just dated him yesterday and already called him your true love?
slow down buddy.


It was the first time I'd played him since the patch, not first time ever. We will be together forever...
I am the Town Medic.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
March 11 2014 15:22 GMT
#1898
Nah I think it's because you have been out of the dating game for a while now. Don't let the first guy you see blinds you, there're a lot of men out there with top quality, don't settle for less, especially 450lp guy.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 15:31:39
March 11 2014 15:30 GMT
#1899
O Len March 11 2014 22:34 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:31 cLutZ wrote:
On March 11 2014 22:11 Zdrastochye wrote:
Supports get the praise they need. with s4 supports being monsters compared to the previous 3 seasons those good at the support role can have more of an influence on the game than before by being able to contribute with damage as well as their usual roles of warding/ward clearing/peeling/engaging. With the extra gold they have they should either stack up on the good active items or get damage (based on what their team needs) and should actually be carrying team fights if they play right. I liked being ward bitch in s3 but s4 support isnt' bad or anything. I'd say it's actually right about where riot wanted the role to be.

Eh. Good supports carry less hard now IMO. Part of that is the fotm champs, part is less ward domination, and part is that everyone Carries less hard because the game is less snowbally.



So you're saying my 80% (now 70% QQ) win-rate on Leona was because i got carried? I know i played bad people most of the time, but saying that I'm carrying less is a bloody lie, cus i hit most of my shit perfect.


EDIT: Which brings us back to what nafta was trying to say. In the d1-d2 area it portrays itself through hitting your shit, if you do it, people will praise you. At lower levels, it's just easier.

Your Leona is probably good, buy that is an anecdote. Carrying is about exploiting the difference in skill levels between you and your opponent , and IMO in a Leona, thresh, Annie meta the stronger player can fall behind more easily with little hope of coming back (even making a good play if your AD is dumb) compared to zyra or Lulu where you could solo the lane for your AD, and come back from a cheesy play.
Freeeeeeedom
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 15:38:32
March 11 2014 15:38 GMT
#1900
On March 11 2014 23:53 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure the Tear buff is a big deal. Over 20 minutes it's 150 stacks, that doesn't take long at all for Ryze.

With Banshee's no longer giving mana and Spirit Visage totally unappealing, I feel like Tear -> Rod -> Frozen (with Negatron somewhere for eventual GA) is the way to go now.

I think the Tear buff is pretty meaningful: Ryze is literally one of the worst champions in the game at stacking Tear, since a) he can't stack Tear without an enemy unit (unless you count his ult); and b) his typical spell rotation combos are too fast to fully proc the post-nerf Tear.
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