[Patch 4.3] Vel'Koz General Discussion - Page 76

On March 09 2014 01:31 Slusher wrote:
I just think it's a bit dubious to say you are increasing late game power of a melee by increasing attack speed in turn for nerfing the damage on up to 3 of his abilities.

On March 09 2014 01:15 Ketara wrote:
I guess in general I think what makes Lee a frequently picked champion is all the versatility, mobility, and ability to outplay people in his kit. I think that's why he's remained strong over the past few years even though he's been nerfed over and over and over again. Every time Lee gets nerfed everybody says he will never be played again and every time he remains just as strong despite the nerfs.

So aside from the Safeguard change (which DOES hit his mobility and might be a big deal) I don't see numbers tweaks as being something that's going to fundamentally alter what Lee does or change his status as a contested pick.

Especially when said numbers tweaks are as small as they appear to be.

With the late game power buff on Flurry, we needed to reduce some damage somewhere, and Tempest’s high utility was where we looked. These numbers might still be too high, but the general idea is that if you level up Tempest while building tanky on Lee Sin, the damage difference won’t be really big. If you build lots of AD on Lee Sin, you’ll definitely see less damage on Tempest (which we made up for in Flurry).
• Damage changed to 25/50/75/10/125 (+0.6 total AD) from 60/95/130/165/200 (+1.0 Bonus AD)
• Now deals physical damage instead of magic

On March 09 2014 01:39 cLutZ wrote:

Safeguard change is a huge Nerf to his niche, which is mobility.

And like slusher said, an AS buff lategame for a melee is fairly worthless. Id like anyone touting it to examine the number of AAs a Renekton does during teamfights in this weeks lcs.

On March 09 2014 01:42 Slusher wrote:


am I confused? this looks like a nerf at all ranks to both ration and base?

and I said up to to cover for Q since it is reliant on the targets health

like to even use attack speed on Lee you need to Q in and double E just to not be kited, so thats most of your passive down the drain anyway

On March 09 2014 01:50 Ketara wrote:


The key thing with the E is changing it from magic to phys is going to affect how good armor pen is quite a bit.

At 18 with zero AD and zero pen it'll do 193 instead of 200.

But that's unrealistic. I imagine people would change to arpen runes with these changes, which would mean building pure tank it'd be a damage buff.

And if you're building damage you're likely to get a LW and/or a BC, and it will still turn out to be similar damage vs. squishies and probably a buff vs. tanks.

On March 09 2014 01:50 dae wrote:
Personally, I like the Lee changes.

When your playing vs a lee sin, and your playing a squishy mid without and escape, and lee gets 1 or 2 kills from other lanes, if he decides to gank you mid, and plays it well, you are dead. There is literally nothing you can really do to prevent him from ward jumping, flashing behind you, and kicking you to your death.

On March 09 2014 02:00 Numy wrote:


You could just you know ward and position better? Most junglers that people play now if they get fed kill or 2 can do that early on.

On March 09 2014 01:58 Slusher wrote:
a typical damage building Lee Sin (BC/HY/LW) will lose about ~140) damage on E before mr.

not really a counter argument just putting that out there if anyone wants to do the mr math (because I don't lel)

On March 09 2014 01:49 PrinceXizor wrote:

The way lee sin autos its not EXACTLY worthless. what it translates into is more energy rather than more damage. but its still bad. it maybe makes up for the 100 energy cost on his W on average, but of course never in situations you'd want it to.