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Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 05 2014 21:50 GMT
#1081
On March 06 2014 06:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:42 Kyrie wrote:
pbe thread would be more pleasant to use if there weren't bolded opinions under every single change

not that they're necessarily bad, it's just not what i'm looking for and i suspect it may be like that for others

When people started going "Why is this here?" and Neo defended the thread it sounded like he wanted me to give my opinion on things. Believe me, I'd gladly not add more typing onto curating it if it's that big an issue.

you're completely right, my mistake to not see neo's comment
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 21:58:34
March 05 2014 21:56 GMT
#1082
On March 06 2014 06:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:40 Ketara wrote:
I never understood TLGD's obsession with Riot reducing mana costs as being bad.

There are still lots of champions in the game who have prohibitive mana costs and require mana management during laning.

Furthermore, Tristana, Irelia and Kogmaw will still have prohibitive mana costs and still require mana management during laning even with this change.

There's no way to ask this without sounding like a dick, but has there ever been a change you've disagreed with?


Sure, just in the most recent patch:

I think the Kassadin nerfs aren't big enough.

I think the Corki buff won't change Phosphorous bomb being awful, and I'm not really sure why they decided to make it a projectile in the first place.

I think the Skarner rework is just in general really awkward. I get that the concept is to make people get and use all 3 of his skills, but it seems like they're going about it in kind of a half assed way and I imagine it will need another buff.


The key difference is I actually read Riots thought processes behind their changes, try to understand them, and in general I tend to get where they're coming from and why they do the things they do. I am not sure I've ever seen a patch where I didn't think that in general the game improves over the previous patch.

And when I do see a change I don't like, I don't respond with "OH MY GOD RIOT IS MAKING EVERY CHAMPION IN THE GAME MANALESS" when more than half of the champions in the game still have mana and the three champions they're changing mana costs on all have mana problems and probably still will.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 05 2014 21:56 GMT
#1083
On March 06 2014 06:50 Kyrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:46 Gahlo wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:42 Kyrie wrote:
pbe thread would be more pleasant to use if there weren't bolded opinions under every single change

not that they're necessarily bad, it's just not what i'm looking for and i suspect it may be like that for others

When people started going "Why is this here?" and Neo defended the thread it sounded like he wanted me to give my opinion on things. Believe me, I'd gladly not add more typing onto curating it if it's that big an issue.

you're completely right, my mistake to not see neo's comment

It's cool. It's not really a thread where people are going to go "I'm gonna read it all!" because only the last 10 or so posts are relevant to the OP's content.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 05 2014 22:00 GMT
#1084
There were actually a set of buffs to Heimer in a previous PBE patch, including making his turrets' laser cd go down by 1s for every autoattack.

And why try to make that PBE thread a thing? It's like trying to force a meme. If people just want a comprehensive list of differences between Live and PBE there's been one for years.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 05 2014 22:13 GMT
#1085
On March 06 2014 06:56 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 06 2014 06:40 Ketara wrote:
I never understood TLGD's obsession with Riot reducing mana costs as being bad.

There are still lots of champions in the game who have prohibitive mana costs and require mana management during laning.

Furthermore, Tristana, Irelia and Kogmaw will still have prohibitive mana costs and still require mana management during laning even with this change.

There's no way to ask this without sounding like a dick, but has there ever been a change you've disagreed with?


Sure, just in the most recent patch:

I think the Kassadin nerfs aren't big enough.

I think the Corki buff won't change Phosphorous bomb being awful, and I'm not really sure why they decided to make it a projectile in the first place.

I think the Skarner rework is just in general really awkward. I get that the concept is to make people get and use all 3 of his skills, but it seems like they're going about it in kind of a half assed way and I imagine it will need another buff.


The key difference is I actually read Riots thought processes behind their changes, try to understand them, and in general I tend to get where they're coming from and why they do the things they do. I am not sure I've ever seen a patch where I didn't think that in general the game improves over the previous patch.

And when I do see a change I don't like, I don't respond with "OH MY GOD RIOT IS MAKING EVERY CHAMPION IN THE GAME MANALESS" when more than half of the champions in the game still have mana and the three champions they're changing mana costs on all have mana problems and probably still will.


You should stop the short-term thinking brother and see beyond what was a somewhat debatable joke.
hi
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 05 2014 22:15 GMT
#1086
Yeah because nobody on this forum has eeeeeeeeeeeeeever said that Riot hates mana before.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 05 2014 22:15 GMT
#1087
God dammit Ketara, take a chill pill sometimes.
hi
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 05 2014 22:16 GMT
#1088
On March 06 2014 07:00 Alaric wrote:
There were actually a set of buffs to Heimer in a previous PBE patch, including making his turrets' laser cd go down by 1s for every autoattack.

And why try to make that PBE thread a thing? It's like trying to force a meme. If people just want a comprehensive list of differences between Live and PBE there's been one for years.

Because when I used to post about it here people would complain about how it was stupid to talk about PBE stuff.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 05 2014 22:20 GMT
#1089
It's dubious to throw up one's arms in the air and call armageddon when looking at the PBE patch 2 days after the last patch. Nothing wrong in discussing things, at least in the concepts if not the numbers, especially as the patch date draws near, imo.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 05 2014 22:40 GMT
#1090
just make the lasers come out faster and heimer might be okay, currently it's a miracle if you hit with one
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 22:41:18
March 05 2014 22:40 GMT
#1091
On March 06 2014 07:20 Alaric wrote:
It's dubious to throw up one's arms in the air and call armageddon when looking at the PBE patch 2 days after the last patch. Nothing wrong in discussing things, at least in the concepts if not the numbers, especially as the patch date draws near, imo.

Riot's been more active in updating the PBE lately with an update every day or near so.

On March 06 2014 07:40 Shikyo wrote:
just make the lasers come out faster and heimer might be okay, currently it's a miracle if you hit with one


They are.
Rooster Cogburn
Profile Joined October 2013
76 Posts
March 06 2014 00:33 GMT
#1092
Has anyone had any success with gangplank at all this season? I used to main him and did fairly well S3 but this season, I can not figure anything out that somewhat works
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-06 00:56:28
March 06 2014 00:42 GMT
#1093
Gp support is something I'am a fan of. I'am sure it doesn't work well vs competent players. However league is full of players forced into support role and have no idea the consequences of trying to all in a gp lane at two thanks to his passive and orange.


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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 06 2014 00:49 GMT
#1094
Yeah gp support sounds good but I personally like ww support more
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 06 2014 00:52 GMT
#1095
On March 06 2014 09:49 Scip wrote:
Yeah gp support sounds good but I personally like ww support more

Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-06 01:00:36
March 06 2014 00:59 GMT
#1096
On March 06 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 07:20 Alaric wrote:
It's dubious to throw up one's arms in the air and call armageddon when looking at the PBE patch 2 days after the last patch. Nothing wrong in discussing things, at least in the concepts if not the numbers, especially as the patch date draws near, imo.

Riot's been more active in updating the PBE lately with an update every day or near so.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 07:40 Shikyo wrote:
just make the lasers come out faster and heimer might be okay, currently it's a miracle if you hit with one


They are.

I thought they were just reducing cooldown, not the cast time o.O I'm saying it's too easy to dodge.

Hm, reading the patchnotes, I definitely need to try afk farm jungle Warwick.

On March 06 2014 09:52 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 09:49 Scip wrote:
Yeah gp support sounds good but I personally like ww support more


I've tried it twice, won both lanes. Free kill / won exchange at level 6 easily, perma-bloodboil without the movespeed, impossble to force off the lane. I'd say it's somewhat viable in solo queue. Oh right, and the peel of his ult on an ADC and the lategame utility of his W are pretty amazing.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 06 2014 01:01 GMT
#1097
On March 06 2014 09:52 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 09:49 Scip wrote:
Yeah gp support sounds good but I personally like ww support more


No dude. I'am sure it doesn't work well vs competent players. However league is full of players forced into support role and have no idea how strong his level six allin is thanks to his ultimate and W.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 06 2014 01:01 GMT
#1098
On March 06 2014 09:59 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:
On March 06 2014 07:20 Alaric wrote:
It's dubious to throw up one's arms in the air and call armageddon when looking at the PBE patch 2 days after the last patch. Nothing wrong in discussing things, at least in the concepts if not the numbers, especially as the patch date draws near, imo.

Riot's been more active in updating the PBE lately with an update every day or near so.

On March 06 2014 07:40 Shikyo wrote:
just make the lasers come out faster and heimer might be okay, currently it's a miracle if you hit with one


They are.

I thought they were just reducing cooldown, not the cast time o.O I'm saying it's too easy to dodge.

Hm, reading the patchnotes, I definitely need to try afk farm jungle Warwick.


Ah, by faster I thought you meant more often.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 06 2014 01:07 GMT
#1099
On March 06 2014 10:01 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 09:52 Gahlo wrote:
On March 06 2014 09:49 Scip wrote:
Yeah gp support sounds good but I personally like ww support more


No dude. I'am sure it doesn't work well vs competent players. However league is full of players forced into support role and have no idea how strong his level six allin is thanks to his ultimate and W.


It's also fun to play gangplank. If I wanted to be hipster cool I could play veigar or trundle support.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-06 01:11:19
March 06 2014 01:10 GMT
#1100
As far as mana goes poppy has some pretty prohibitive mana costs.

Scip the thread blew up with a support ww "discusion" around 20(?) pages ago
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