EPTIt's like playing release Zach the jungle. Sure he does a lot of great things, but if you put him top he was literally unable to lose.
All of the things panth does from the jungle he does from lane better.
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
It's like playing release Zach the jungle. Sure he does a lot of great things, but if you put him top he was literally unable to lose. All of the things panth does from the jungle he does from lane better. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:25 Yezzus wrote: Does anyone think Galio will he viable or be seen more any time soon? I haven't seen him played at all consistently since i started this game at the start of s3. Yea i see him maybe once in a few hundred games. - very low mobility (compared to current mid lanes) - R reliant - Flash reliant I don't see any room for Galio mid in League's current state. His early game is atrociously poor (comparable to Kassadin's almost) and his late game requires too many things to go right for him/his team for the champion to actually shine. I think there are some merits to Support Galio however. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:51 Dandel Ion wrote: he already has MR ratios as is. riot's said they are going to give him explicit MR ratios on abilities (similar to ryze's mana ratios) so his passive can be freed up to actually do something else. Also gives them the ability to decouple MR ratios from his AP ratios, (again, using Ryze as an example: Q has high mana/low AP ratio, E has low mana/high AP ratio) although I'm not sure what value that would bring. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:55 VeryAverage wrote: Galio needs his ult immune to ignore tenacity. Right now you just build tenacity and laugh unless he flashed right on top of you since you can just waltz right out. If he ends it early, it does shit tier damage and ruins the whole point of the ultimate. Still, I hope galio comes back. I loved playing Xin and popping his ult with my Q. I find it funny that the solution to solving Galio's ultimate problem is to basically make it a knock-up. League of knock-ups #2 in line behind league of gap closers, wooooo | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:56 NeoIllusions wrote: - very low mobility (compared to current mid lanes) - R reliant - Flash reliant I don't see any room for Galio mid in League's current state. His early game is atrociously poor (comparable to Kassadin's almost) and his late game requires too many things to go right for him/his team for the champion to actually shine. I think there are some merits to Support Galio however. I can see some reasons for support galio but I'd probably have to see it more to make a proper judgement. In theory it's good but I've only seen nrated use it where he pretty much got carried hard by SK. Also it looked terrible in the 2v2 vs I think it was nami/lucian (Though I see some merit of push potential in a 2v1 with jinx like they used) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote: I'm not denying panth is good, he's my most played and most winningest champion. I just think he's way better from mid. It's like playing release Zach the jungle. Sure he does a lot of great things, but if you put him top he was literally unable to lose. All of the things panth does from the jungle he does from lane better. I don't know how you can even compare. The difference with Zac top vs Zac Jungle, was Zac top was best in lane. Panth not so much. Also considering how diverse midlane champs are in terms of their utility (like Kayle/Orianna/Gragas), Panth mid has a huge opportunity cost vs Jungle Panth. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote: I'm not denying panth is good, he's my most played and most winningest champion. I just think he's way better from mid. It's like playing release Zach the jungle. Sure he does a lot of great things, but if you put him top he was literally unable to lose. All of the things panth does from the jungle he does from lane better. pretty sure this argument was bad then too, what matters is how pantheon mid compares to gragas/lb/ziggs and how pantheon jungle compares to elise/lee sin/vi; not how pantheon mid/jungle compare to each other. besides, a champion with a strong early game and map presence that doesn't seem to rely on farm or scale particularly well with it seems much more suited to jungle than mid in the pro meta. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 13 2014 05:06 chalice wrote: pretty sure this argument was bad then too, what matters is how pantheon mid compares to gragas/lb/ziggs and how pantheon jungle compares to elise/lee sin/vi; not how pantheon mid/jungle compare to each other. besides, a champion with a strong early game and map presence that doesn't seem to rely on farm or scale particularly well with it seems much more suited to jungle than mid in the pro meta. He does need items though. You need some sort of damage item, you need one of lw or bc, and you very much need one defensive item in the late game. Panth bears Gragas and lb, Ziggs is a rough matchup though. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On February 13 2014 05:06 chalice wrote: pretty sure this argument was bad then too, what matters is how pantheon mid compares to gragas/lb/ziggs and how pantheon jungle compares to elise/lee sin/vi; not how pantheon mid/jungle compare to each other. This is exactly right. You don't judge champion usefulness by comparing himself across different roles. You do it by comparing him against the normal champions in the role you want him in. Does he offer the same or better utility/strength/laning/map control (role-reliant) as the usual champions in that lane? As LCS has shown, compared to the popular junglers, he does quite well as people above have elaborated. It doesn't matter if Panth is better in mid compared to jungle when you want to know about his jungle effectiveness. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Anyway, I suppose I get the point. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On February 13 2014 05:51 iCanada wrote: Okay, only thing that panty doesn't bring that those guys do is wave clear, but the most popular ads, tops, and tops bring that in spades. Anyway, I suppose I get the point. My thought is that for a mid laner, he has has to get into near melee range to do damage without any sort of significant defensive steroid. Yes, he does have his aegis but that's barely comparable to a shield. Unless he gets farmed early on, you won't be doing much in an even game and be at too high a risk in team fights. I wouldn't want my mid laner at risk of dying so easily. He's great for pick comps though. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On February 13 2014 06:14 Ghost-z wrote: Wouldn't Galio be a semi effective counter to Kass? Galio wouldn't need to flash+ult if he waits for Kass to ult onto someone and then holds him in place for your team to burst? I guess an Amumu ult could to the same thing. Galio kinda feels like a 2nd class mummy. A good kass doesn't ult on top of people without the ability to finish or hourglass. They ult to the edge of QE range, nuke somebody for half their health and walk away, and prepare for the next allin. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 13 2014 05:19 iCanada wrote: He does need items though. You need some sort of damage item, you need one of lw or bc, and you very much need one defensive item in the late game. Panth bears Gragas and lb, Ziggs is a rough matchup though. Pantheon wants to be tanky but wants to do damage, thats why playing him as a bursty glass cannon is best imo. but he cant compete with top laners at all cuz he'll never hurt them :/ on Galio, I think he'll be good again when/if push R and win comps come back | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On February 13 2014 06:51 arb wrote: Pantheon wants to be tanky but wants to do damage, thats why playing him as a bursty glass cannon is best imo. but he cant compete with top laners at all cuz he'll never hurt them :/ on Galio, I think he'll be good again when/if push R and win comps come back All galio needs is 1 or 2 seconds cd taken off his q at all ranks, and like 2-3 seconds cooldown taken off his e, and hed be top tier. He just needs to do more sustained damage and hes a god mid. He is almost unkillable vs some teamcomps even as it is. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 13 2014 07:11 dae wrote: All galio needs is 1 or 2 seconds cd taken off his q at all ranks, and like 2-3 seconds cooldown taken off his e, and hed be top tier. He just needs to do more sustained damage and hes a god mid. He is almost unkillable vs some teamcomps even as it is. If someone suddenly has two top tier skills, they'll become a top tier hero. You don't say. Just to be clear you're suggesting, with 40% CDR, a 2.5s 40% AOE slow on a 3s CD that does a bunch of damage. No shit he'll be top tier you might as well say if Galio's ult covered the whole map he'd be top tier -_- | ||
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