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On February 13 2014 07:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:11 dae wrote:On February 13 2014 06:51 arb wrote:On February 13 2014 05:19 iCanada wrote:On February 13 2014 05:06 chalice wrote:On February 13 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote:
I'm not denying panth is good, he's my most played and most winningest champion. I just think he's way better from mid.
It's like playing release Zach the jungle. Sure he does a lot of great things, but if you put him top he was literally unable to lose.
All of the things panth does from the jungle he does from lane better. pretty sure this argument was bad then too, what matters is how pantheon mid compares to gragas/lb/ziggs and how pantheon jungle compares to elise/lee sin/vi; not how pantheon mid/jungle compare to each other. besides, a champion with a strong early game and map presence that doesn't seem to rely on farm or scale particularly well with it seems much more suited to jungle than mid in the pro meta. He does need items though. You need some sort of damage item, you need one of lw or bc, and you very much need one defensive item in the late game. Panth bears Gragas and lb, Ziggs is a rough matchup though. Pantheon wants to be tanky but wants to do damage, thats why playing him as a bursty glass cannon is best imo. but he cant compete with top laners at all cuz he'll never hurt them :/ on Galio, I think he'll be good again when/if push R and win comps come back All galio needs is 1 or 2 seconds cd taken off his q at all ranks, and like 2-3 seconds cooldown taken off his e, and hed be top tier. He just needs to do more sustained damage and hes a god mid. He is almost unkillable vs some teamcomps even as it is. If someone suddenly has two top tier skills, they'll become a top tier hero. You don't say. Just to be clear you're suggesting, with 40% CDR, a 2.5s 40% AOE slow on a 3s CD that does a bunch of damage. No shit he'll be top tier you might as well say if Galio's ult covered the whole map he'd be top tier -_-
Dis is mean CHeep Cheep.
I think Galio ult is kinda Rubbish, that is the untold tale. It gets broken like 100% of the time. And if it didn't then he would be a yoloQ terror, whence, he cannot be fixed or else Riot will have a terrifying amount of Bronzodia outcry.
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On February 13 2014 07:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:11 dae wrote:On February 13 2014 06:51 arb wrote:On February 13 2014 05:19 iCanada wrote:On February 13 2014 05:06 chalice wrote:On February 13 2014 04:55 iCanada wrote:
I'm not denying panth is good, he's my most played and most winningest champion. I just think he's way better from mid.
It's like playing release Zach the jungle. Sure he does a lot of great things, but if you put him top he was literally unable to lose.
All of the things panth does from the jungle he does from lane better. pretty sure this argument was bad then too, what matters is how pantheon mid compares to gragas/lb/ziggs and how pantheon jungle compares to elise/lee sin/vi; not how pantheon mid/jungle compare to each other. besides, a champion with a strong early game and map presence that doesn't seem to rely on farm or scale particularly well with it seems much more suited to jungle than mid in the pro meta. He does need items though. You need some sort of damage item, you need one of lw or bc, and you very much need one defensive item in the late game. Panth bears Gragas and lb, Ziggs is a rough matchup though. Pantheon wants to be tanky but wants to do damage, thats why playing him as a bursty glass cannon is best imo. but he cant compete with top laners at all cuz he'll never hurt them :/ on Galio, I think he'll be good again when/if push R and win comps come back All galio needs is 1 or 2 seconds cd taken off his q at all ranks, and like 2-3 seconds cooldown taken off his e, and hed be top tier. He just needs to do more sustained damage and hes a god mid. He is almost unkillable vs some teamcomps even as it is. If someone suddenly has two top tier skills, they'll become a top tier hero. You don't say. Just to be clear you're suggesting, with 40% CDR, a 2.5s 40% AOE slow on a 3s CD that does a bunch of damage. No shit he'll be top tier you might as well say if Galio's ult covered the whole map he'd be top tier -_-
Global Taunt you say?
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The best solution obviously is to give him % health damage on Q.
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On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is to give him % health damage on Q.
I think maybe remove the damage cap on his ult(seems like a relic to me) and maybe add more armor/mr or something
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On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is to give him % health damage on Q.
This isn't even funny anymore
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Is the NA server spiking for anyone?
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On February 13 2014 08:01 Nos- wrote:
Is the NA server spiking for anyone?
Friend was just complaining about lag, someone on the other team was getting it too
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On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore
Apologies.
On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component.
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On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component.
This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something.
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On February 13 2014 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component. This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something.
Thanks Cheep your words mean a lot to me.
If you think Galio's press QE then afk playstyle is fun then go ahead.
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I'd talk about how quality of discussions has dropped steadily for quite some time in here but I'm not exactly helping the problem...
Galio would probably be better used defensively with a comp forcing the enemy to dive you, than offensively where he needs flash and still won't ever catch a Jinx or something.
On February 13 2014 03:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 01:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:On February 13 2014 00:40 Haiq343 wrote:On February 13 2014 00:37 cLutZ wrote:On February 13 2014 00:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 13 2014 00:29 Sponkz wrote:On February 13 2014 00:26 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 13 2014 00:25 cLutZ wrote:On February 12 2014 18:22 Alaric wrote:
Only Draven, Twitch and Kennen have more base AS than him (and Draven only wants enough AS to be able to juggle 2 axes tbh).
For sure. I was just listing random ideas that could separate Kog's damage out more lategame because Jinx has a strong midgame Kit with her Zap, ult, and free AS (or long range for sieges). One of Kog's big problems is actually that he cant use his W for sieging or Dragon/Baron because then it will be down for a potential engagement. Maybe Kog's W needs to reset CD on kill/assist. His passive is god awful these days, because of the addition of so many high-mobility champions that can easily evade the damage. I do agree that a CD-reset could fix some of his issues. o god i was joking WE'VE REACHED THE SINGULARITY. But seriously, never remove Kog's passive. Most hilarious passive game. Just give it Homeguard buff. ezpz Haha. Kog's passive obviously needs %HP True Damage. And a scaling execute. Everyone dies. A GA passive would be great too. Actually, if you combined all of these such that his passive refreshed his life on champion kill (scaling execute obvs), that'd be pretty genuinely cool. Probably impossible to balance, but pretty cool.
Eve actually had this at some point on her ult, she got 400 HP back from kills and assist, and some sort of reset of its active (a steroid).
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On February 13 2014 08:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component. This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something. Thanks Cheep your words mean a lot to me. If you think Galio's press QE then afk playstyle is fun then go ahead.
What's different between that and Orianna's QW farm style?
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On February 13 2014 08:23 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:18 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component. This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something. Thanks Cheep your words mean a lot to me. If you think Galio's press QE then afk playstyle is fun then go ahead. What's different about that and Orianna's QW farm style?
The fact Orianna can harass with auto attacks in between while galio cant because hes melee in a lane of ranged champions.
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There is nothing inherently wrong about any playstyle, and suggesting a complete revamp of how a champion plays is a whole different issue than changes to make the champion stronger/more viable, and is thus utterly useless in a "discussion" such as this one, if it even qualifies.
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On February 13 2014 08:23 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:18 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component. This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something. Thanks Cheep your words mean a lot to me. If you think Galio's press QE then afk playstyle is fun then go ahead. What's different about that and Orianna's QW farm style?
The difference is that Orianna is somewhat squishy while Galio is not. Ori/Syndra/etc. Can do the afk farm too, but they are still vulnerable to all in. Galio is actually pretty tanky, especially against AP champions.
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On February 13 2014 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:23 Nos- wrote:On February 13 2014 08:18 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component. This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something. Thanks Cheep your words mean a lot to me. If you think Galio's press QE then afk playstyle is fun then go ahead. What's different about that and Orianna's QW farm style? The fact Orianna can harass with auto attacks in between while galio cant because hes melee in a lane of ranged champions.
That doesn't really change the fact that Orianna is a more farm oriented hero, a play style sufficiency apparently condemns. Like orianna being ranged doesn't change the fact that she's a farmer. You wouldn't compare Karth to ahri in gameplay style just because they're both ranged.
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The entire top meta is an afk farm playstyle...
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On February 13 2014 08:23 Alaric wrote:I'd talk about how quality of discussions has dropped steadily for quite some time in here but I'm not exactly helping the problem... Galio would probably be better used defensively with a comp forcing the enemy to dive you, than offensively where he needs flash and still won't ever catch a Jinx or something. Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 03:05 TheHumanSensation wrote:On February 13 2014 01:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:On February 13 2014 00:40 Haiq343 wrote:On February 13 2014 00:37 cLutZ wrote:On February 13 2014 00:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 13 2014 00:29 Sponkz wrote:On February 13 2014 00:26 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 13 2014 00:25 cLutZ wrote:On February 12 2014 18:22 Alaric wrote:
Only Draven, Twitch and Kennen have more base AS than him (and Draven only wants enough AS to be able to juggle 2 axes tbh).
For sure. I was just listing random ideas that could separate Kog's damage out more lategame because Jinx has a strong midgame Kit with her Zap, ult, and free AS (or long range for sieges). One of Kog's big problems is actually that he cant use his W for sieging or Dragon/Baron because then it will be down for a potential engagement. Maybe Kog's W needs to reset CD on kill/assist. His passive is god awful these days, because of the addition of so many high-mobility champions that can easily evade the damage. I do agree that a CD-reset could fix some of his issues. o god i was joking WE'VE REACHED THE SINGULARITY. But seriously, never remove Kog's passive. Most hilarious passive game. Just give it Homeguard buff. ezpz Haha. Kog's passive obviously needs %HP True Damage. And a scaling execute. Everyone dies. A GA passive would be great too. Actually, if you combined all of these such that his passive refreshed his life on champion kill (scaling execute obvs), that'd be pretty genuinely cool. Probably impossible to balance, but pretty cool. Eve actually had this at some point on her ult, she got 400 HP back from kills and assist, and some sort of reset of its active (a steroid).
For an Anti-Dive team though, aren't there better options?
I actually think Neo basically summed up everything Galio in his post; except missing the part where Galio is an ult reliant champion who's ult is arguably not that great considering the modern champion pool.
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On February 13 2014 08:30 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:24 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2014 08:23 Nos- wrote:On February 13 2014 08:18 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On February 13 2014 08:12 Sufficiency wrote:On February 13 2014 07:58 Yezzus wrote:On February 13 2014 07:30 Sufficiency wrote:
The best solution obviously is make him % health damage on Q. This isn't even funny anymore Apologies. On a more serious note, his afk farming playstyle needs to be remedied. I think they need to split his Q into an instant damage component and a proc-the-mark component. This is one of the most arbitrary, useless, and incompetent suggestions I've ever read and I've read a lot of your posts before this too so that's saying something. Thanks Cheep your words mean a lot to me. If you think Galio's press QE then afk playstyle is fun then go ahead. What's different about that and Orianna's QW farm style? The fact Orianna can harass with auto attacks in between while galio cant because hes melee in a lane of ranged champions. That doesn't really change the fact that Orianna is a more farm oriented hero, a play style sufficiency apparently condemns. Like orianna being ranged doesn't change the fact that she's a farmer. You wouldn't compare Karth to ahri in gameplay style just because they're both ranged.
I do condemn the playstyle. But Galio is worse on this.
Look, say you are playing Orianna vs Syndra, which IMO Syndra has the upper hand. Both have pretty high burst and are kind of squishy, so if you (say) make a wrong move and get stunned by Syndra you are screwed.
Now you are Galio. You can clear wave more or less the same as Ori, but you probably have more MR and Syndra can't really do much to you, so you just farm.... weeee how fun!
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Also don't just take my words for it. Look what Riot did to Morgana and Janna on their W and Q. I feel this is the direction Riot is moving towards, and one I agree on.
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