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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 13 2014 03:19 GMT
#581
On February 13 2014 10:33 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 10:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Apparently a post I wrote on TL a year ago just hit front page on the LoL subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xpo1h/a_dyrus_story/


Meanwhile our coverage can't get to the first page the first day it's posted.

Real.

It shouldn't take more than a cursory glance at any TL article to realize that /r/lol is not the right target audience.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 13 2014 03:29 GMT
#582
On February 13 2014 12:19 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 10:33 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 13 2014 10:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Apparently a post I wrote on TL a year ago just hit front page on the LoL subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xpo1h/a_dyrus_story/


Meanwhile our coverage can't get to the first page the first day it's posted.

Real.

It shouldn't take more than a cursory glance at any TL article to realize that /r/lol is not the right target audience.

Reddit is just fickle. Some of our articles make it to the front page as well as other longer format pieces, but not at any regular consistency.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 13 2014 04:16 GMT
#583
I already posted this in the Skarner thread on the strategy board, buts its worth noting, that with the Skarner Rework (Aka, moving attack speed steroid from W to Q), he is officially the fastest first clear jungler in the game.

If you do a clear that looks something like Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Red > Golems you finish at 3:22 in game time. If you take the same route, Udyr clocks in at 3:29. With a good leash, both junglers can finish whole route at like 3 min.

Also ff note, this is about the same time (about 5-15 seconds longer) it takes some rather common junglers (Lee Sin, Vi, Panth, Elise, Jarvan etc) to clear Blue > Wraiths > Red.

For those uber farm junglers, new Skarner might be worth it to play. Not willing to comment on how good he is, havn't played him that much aside from a couple normal game stomps. But damn he kills jungle fast.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 04:17:48
February 13 2014 04:17 GMT
#584
On February 13 2014 10:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Apparently a post I wrote on TL a year ago just hit front page on the LoL subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xpo1h/a_dyrus_story/


I remember this post! Weird how things get picked up a year after and suddenly gain traction.

On February 13 2014 12:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 12:19 TheYango wrote:
On February 13 2014 10:33 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 13 2014 10:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Apparently a post I wrote on TL a year ago just hit front page on the LoL subreddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1xpo1h/a_dyrus_story/


Meanwhile our coverage can't get to the first page the first day it's posted.

Real.

It shouldn't take more than a cursory glance at any TL article to realize that /r/lol is not the right target audience.

Reddit is just fickle. Some of our articles make it to the front page as well as other longer format pieces, but not at any regular consistency.



Unless you are Chexx. Chexx is just a god
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 04:20:40
February 13 2014 04:20 GMT
#585
Sometimes I feel so sad that I have played this game on and off for almost 2 years and still stuck in gold. Then today I met this guy.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22280559#profile

2500 normal wins, silver 5
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 13 2014 04:21 GMT
#586
On February 13 2014 13:16 iCanada wrote:
I already posted this in the Skarner thread on the strategy board, buts its worth noting, that with the Skarner Rework (Aka, moving attack speed steroid from W to Q), he is officially the fastest first clear jungler in the game.

If you do a clear that looks something like Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Red > Golems you finish at 3:22 in game time. If you take the same route, Udyr clocks in at 3:29. With a good leash, both junglers can finish whole route at like 3 min.

Also ff note, this is about the same time (about 5-15 seconds longer) it takes some rather common junglers (Lee Sin, Vi, Panth, Elise, Jarvan etc) to clear Blue > Wraiths > Red.

For those uber farm junglers, new Skarner might be worth it to play. Not willing to comment on how good he is, havn't played him that much aside from a couple normal game stomps. But damn he kills jungle fast.


What skill order is that? QWE? Probably impossible to gank at 3 without E right?
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 04:26:00
February 13 2014 04:25 GMT
#587
On February 13 2014 13:21 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 13:16 iCanada wrote:
I already posted this in the Skarner thread on the strategy board, buts its worth noting, that with the Skarner Rework (Aka, moving attack speed steroid from W to Q), he is officially the fastest first clear jungler in the game.

If you do a clear that looks something like Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Red > Golems you finish at 3:22 in game time. If you take the same route, Udyr clocks in at 3:29. With a good leash, both junglers can finish whole route at like 3 min.

Also ff note, this is about the same time (about 5-15 seconds longer) it takes some rather common junglers (Lee Sin, Vi, Panth, Elise, Jarvan etc) to clear Blue > Wraiths > Red.

For those uber farm junglers, new Skarner might be worth it to play. Not willing to comment on how good he is, havn't played him that much aside from a couple normal game stomps. But damn he kills jungle fast.


What skill order is that? QWE? Probably impossible to gank at 3 without E right?


Q-W-Q. You hit 4 after 1 more camp I believe. I dunno, never gank at 3 anyways, any good laner goers pussyfoot for about 30 seconds there anyway.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 04:27:47
February 13 2014 04:27 GMT
#588
Pantheon disabled? How am I supposed to climb the ladder now?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 13 2014 04:29 GMT
#589
On February 13 2014 13:27 LoCicero wrote:
Pantheon disabled? How am I supposed to climb the ladder now?


Yeah, that was what I thought. Decided to personally not play ranked.

Apparently placing a ward makes him invisible? /shrug
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 04:33:39
February 13 2014 04:33 GMT
#590
meh
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 04:35:01
February 13 2014 04:34 GMT
#591
On February 13 2014 13:29 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 13:27 LoCicero wrote:
Pantheon disabled? How am I supposed to climb the ladder now?


Yeah, that was what I thought. Decided to personally not play ranked.

Apparently placing a ward makes him invisible? /shrug


What other champion has 2 moves where you actually drop on people, nuts first? They should rename Panth's moves.

W = Nut Shot
R = Giantest Nut Shot (TM)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 13 2014 04:36 GMT
#592
On February 13 2014 13:25 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 13:21 cLutZ wrote:
On February 13 2014 13:16 iCanada wrote:
I already posted this in the Skarner thread on the strategy board, buts its worth noting, that with the Skarner Rework (Aka, moving attack speed steroid from W to Q), he is officially the fastest first clear jungler in the game.

If you do a clear that looks something like Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Red > Golems you finish at 3:22 in game time. If you take the same route, Udyr clocks in at 3:29. With a good leash, both junglers can finish whole route at like 3 min.

Also ff note, this is about the same time (about 5-15 seconds longer) it takes some rather common junglers (Lee Sin, Vi, Panth, Elise, Jarvan etc) to clear Blue > Wraiths > Red.

For those uber farm junglers, new Skarner might be worth it to play. Not willing to comment on how good he is, havn't played him that much aside from a couple normal game stomps. But damn he kills jungle fast.


What skill order is that? QWE? Probably impossible to gank at 3 without E right?


Q-W-Q. You hit 4 after 1 more camp I believe. I dunno, never gank at 3 anyways, any good laner goers pussyfoot for about 30 seconds there anyway.


Ahh. I am always skeptical of AS steroids on champs that arent Ranged ADCs or Splitpushers. But does it help him outside of clears?
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 13 2014 04:41 GMT
#593
On February 13 2014 13:36 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 13:25 iCanada wrote:
On February 13 2014 13:21 cLutZ wrote:
On February 13 2014 13:16 iCanada wrote:
I already posted this in the Skarner thread on the strategy board, buts its worth noting, that with the Skarner Rework (Aka, moving attack speed steroid from W to Q), he is officially the fastest first clear jungler in the game.

If you do a clear that looks something like Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Red > Golems you finish at 3:22 in game time. If you take the same route, Udyr clocks in at 3:29. With a good leash, both junglers can finish whole route at like 3 min.

Also ff note, this is about the same time (about 5-15 seconds longer) it takes some rather common junglers (Lee Sin, Vi, Panth, Elise, Jarvan etc) to clear Blue > Wraiths > Red.

For those uber farm junglers, new Skarner might be worth it to play. Not willing to comment on how good he is, havn't played him that much aside from a couple normal game stomps. But damn he kills jungle fast.


What skill order is that? QWE? Probably impossible to gank at 3 without E right?


Q-W-Q. You hit 4 after 1 more camp I believe. I dunno, never gank at 3 anyways, any good laner goers pussyfoot for about 30 seconds there anyway.


Ahh. I am always skeptical of AS steroids on champs that arent Ranged ADCs or Splitpushers. But does it help him outside of clears?


I dont think its great, but for duels vs melee champions and peeling its pretty good. Imo thats what you should be doing anyway, not like Skarner has good initiate. More than anything Impale is sexy gank and sexy peel, imo.

Good at catching kids offguard, but top/mid laner probably has better straight up 5v5 initiate.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 13 2014 04:53 GMT
#594
On February 13 2014 13:41 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 13:36 cLutZ wrote:
On February 13 2014 13:25 iCanada wrote:
On February 13 2014 13:21 cLutZ wrote:
On February 13 2014 13:16 iCanada wrote:
I already posted this in the Skarner thread on the strategy board, buts its worth noting, that with the Skarner Rework (Aka, moving attack speed steroid from W to Q), he is officially the fastest first clear jungler in the game.

If you do a clear that looks something like Blue > Wolves > Wraiths > Red > Golems you finish at 3:22 in game time. If you take the same route, Udyr clocks in at 3:29. With a good leash, both junglers can finish whole route at like 3 min.

Also ff note, this is about the same time (about 5-15 seconds longer) it takes some rather common junglers (Lee Sin, Vi, Panth, Elise, Jarvan etc) to clear Blue > Wraiths > Red.

For those uber farm junglers, new Skarner might be worth it to play. Not willing to comment on how good he is, havn't played him that much aside from a couple normal game stomps. But damn he kills jungle fast.


What skill order is that? QWE? Probably impossible to gank at 3 without E right?


Q-W-Q. You hit 4 after 1 more camp I believe. I dunno, never gank at 3 anyways, any good laner goers pussyfoot for about 30 seconds there anyway.


Ahh. I am always skeptical of AS steroids on champs that arent Ranged ADCs or Splitpushers. But does it help him outside of clears?


I dont think its great, but for duels vs melee champions and peeling its pretty good. Imo thats what you should be doing anyway, not like Skarner has good initiate. More than anything Impale is sexy gank and sexy peel, imo.

Good at catching kids offguard, but top/mid laner probably has better straight up 5v5 initiate.

Eh, flashgrab is pretty great but it's more of a 'catch someone out of position and have your team instakill them'

Beyond that yes, Skarner is a far better peeler than a diver.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 13 2014 05:00 GMT
#595
I know some people are complaining that his E sucks now, but oh man with those kinds of attack steroid and his passive, he is going to be chunking out damage in melee range like crazy (provided he has mana....)
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Velocirapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States983 Posts
February 13 2014 05:09 GMT
#596
On February 13 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
I know some people are complaining that his E sucks now, but oh man with those kinds of attack steroid and his passive, he is going to be chunking out damage in melee range like crazy (provided he has mana....)


I was a little surprised that the rework went in the direction it did. When skarner first came out he was so strong because his abilities were so cheap he had essentially infinite mana and this made his clear super fast and his clear path highly variable. This also allowed him to abuse his passive to keep his ult up a lot more than most. They fixed this by jacking up the costs on all his abilities until he couldn't even clear once all the way through without going oom and he fell off the map. I figured that with the new jungle camps being generally harder for him to clear even with ability spam, all they had to do was reduce his mana costs to old values and call it a day but they really changed how he feels as a character. With all the really powerful resourceless champions they keep pumping out it just seems odd.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 05:15:00
February 13 2014 05:11 GMT
#597
On February 13 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
I know some people are complaining that his E sucks now, but oh man with those kinds of attack steroid and his passive, he is going to be chunking out damage in melee range like crazy (provided he has mana....)


His E is way better than it was before imo.

It was worthless in jungle, W gave more jungle sustain and used less mana and you wanted it for ganks anyway. Lategame the pathetic heal was useless anyway.

I do think the slow needs to be a little bit stronger though, lasts such a small time. Probably the worst skillshot CC in the game. Compare it to Mundo Cleaver for example. Less slow %, actualy cost, three times the CD.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 13 2014 05:24 GMT
#598
On February 13 2014 14:11 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
I know some people are complaining that his E sucks now, but oh man with those kinds of attack steroid and his passive, he is going to be chunking out damage in melee range like crazy (provided he has mana....)


His E is way better than it was before imo.

It was worthless in jungle, W gave more jungle sustain and used less mana and you wanted it for ganks anyway. Lategame the pathetic heal was useless anyway.

I do think the slow needs to be a little bit stronger though, lasts such a small time. Probably the worst skillshot CC in the game. Compare it to Mundo Cleaver for example. Less slow %, actualy cost, three times the CD.


How bad is his mana pool in a teamfight? Does he run out of steam very quickly without mana items?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 05:26:04
February 13 2014 05:25 GMT
#599
On February 13 2014 14:24 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 14:11 iCanada wrote:
On February 13 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
I know some people are complaining that his E sucks now, but oh man with those kinds of attack steroid and his passive, he is going to be chunking out damage in melee range like crazy (provided he has mana....)


His E is way better than it was before imo.

It was worthless in jungle, W gave more jungle sustain and used less mana and you wanted it for ganks anyway. Lategame the pathetic heal was useless anyway.

I do think the slow needs to be a little bit stronger though, lasts such a small time. Probably the worst skillshot CC in the game. Compare it to Mundo Cleaver for example. Less slow %, actualy cost, three times the CD.


How bad is his mana pool in a teamfight? Does he run out of steam very quickly without mana items?


I think its not awful. Depends on how well you manage your mana.

I'ma Spartans player, and Skarner will never have as many mana issues as Pantheon. I'd equate it to Udyr, really.

Very manageable.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 13 2014 05:47 GMT
#600
On February 13 2014 14:11 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 14:00 Sufficiency wrote:
I know some people are complaining that his E sucks now, but oh man with those kinds of attack steroid and his passive, he is going to be chunking out damage in melee range like crazy (provided he has mana....)


His E is way better than it was before imo.

It was worthless in jungle, W gave more jungle sustain and used less mana and you wanted it for ganks anyway. Lategame the pathetic heal was useless anyway.

I do think the slow needs to be a little bit stronger though, lasts such a small time. Probably the worst skillshot CC in the game. Compare it to Mundo Cleaver for example. Less slow %, actualy cost, three times the CD.


That is actually not the point.

He E used to be quite terrible. However, that was kind of a "strength" because Q and W were both basically 1.5 skills when he was "balanced" and "OP".
Freeeeeeedom
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