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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
His ult is either amazing or terrible depending on the situation, especially because of the way his passive works with the knockback. Best cast scenario is flash dashing onto somebody behind the carry, whacking the carry back into my team while knocking everybody else away from them. Worse case scenario is I'M HELPING and make somebody whiff an ult or two. Some games where I have to peel, it kills me that I can't dash to and then knock away the person chasing my carry and sometimes the knockup isn't enough (I'm looking at you gator) to keep my carry safe. His ganks are pretty damn scary though, that dash slow + red + knockup kills just about everybody unless they have flash and an escape up. Any specific way I should build him/play him or is he not really in the realm of solo q carrying? Do we have a resident Xin expert because it seems like nobody plays him anymore. (RIP Season 1 Xin 11-0 in triple digit ELO carrying me above 1200) | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 13 2014 03:32 VeryAverage wrote: I know I'm a bit late to the party but considering non "FOTM" junglers (aka not Vi, Panth, Wu, Elise or Lee), how does Xin stand up? I've been playing him lately and it seems pretty feast or famine for me. It feels like I carry extremely hard and murder carries in seconds while soaking up damage or just kind of waltz into a fight and die. I go Elder Lizard > Sunfires > Randuins/BV and generally just play pretty tanky and try to get in and wreck things. His ult is either amazing or terrible depending on the situation, especially because of the way his passive works with the knockback. Best cast scenario is flash dashing onto somebody behind the carry, whacking the carry back into my team while knocking everybody else away from them. Worse case scenario is I'M HELPING and make somebody whiff an ult or two. Some games where I have to peel, it kills me that I can't dash to and then knock away the person chasing my carry and sometimes the knockup isn't enough (I'm looking at you gator) to keep my carry safe. His ganks are pretty damn scary though, that dash slow + red + knockup kills just about everybody unless they have flash and an escape up. Any specific way I should build him/play him or is he not really in the realm of solo q carrying? Do we have a resident Xin expert because it seems like nobody plays him anymore. (RIP Season 1 Xin 11-0 in triple digit ELO carrying me above 1200) I always feared Xin early ganks....but late game he didint seem great....but he destroys early-mid for sure | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 13 2014 03:29 iCanada wrote: Pantheon is disabled? Wut in the... -.- surprise, when you give a fotm jungler invisibility, the shit is broken. lol. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 13 2014 03:40 wei2coolman wrote: surprise, when you give a fotm jungler invisibility, the shit is broken. lol. I still dont get the craze behind panth as a jungler. Just feels... gimmicky to me. But I could be wrong. Feels like Shaco, either get them kills or you useless. I dont see the farming potential there. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:03 iCanada wrote: I still dont get the craze behind panth as a jungler. Just feels... gimmicky to me. But I could be wrong. Feels like Shaco, either get them kills or you useless. I dont see the farming potential there. The difference between shaco and pantheon is night and day. Panth has a point and click stun, so it's literally impossible to fuck up a gank. Also a global ulti that does 400 flat magic damage at level 1, along with point and click stun, it pretty much guarantees a kill. He also does a fuck ton of damage, and is an amazing turret diver. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22670 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:08 wei2coolman wrote: The difference between shaco and pantheon is night and day. Panth has a point and click stun, so it's literally impossible to fuck up a gank. Also a global ulti that does 400 flat magic damage at level 1, along with point and click stun, it pretty much guarantees a kill. He also does a fuck ton of damage, and is an amazing turret diver. Pantheon ult dmg is overrated. It only does that at the center and your almost never hitting someone with them in the center of it unless you ult into teamfights. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:11 Gorsameth wrote: Pantheon ult dmg is overrated. It only does that at the center and your almost never hitting someone with them in the center of it unless you ult into teamfights. Even if you don't get the max damage, the residual damage + slow is more than enough. You could probably take away the damage component of his ulti, and he'd still see play currently. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:03 iCanada wrote: I still dont get the craze behind panth as a jungler. Just feels... gimmicky to me. But I could be wrong. Feels like Shaco, either get them kills or you useless. I dont see the farming potential there. The issue is that, right now, there's a bug where Panth turns invisible when he places a ward. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:15 Gahlo wrote: The issue is that, right now, there's a bug where Panth turns invisible when he places a ward. I'm pretty sure he's talking pre-patch bugs >.> | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:08 wei2coolman wrote: The difference between shaco and pantheon is night and day. Panth has a point and click stun, so it's literally impossible to fuck up a gank. Also a global ulti that does 400 flat magic damage at level 1, along with point and click stun, it pretty much guarantees a kill. He also does a fuck ton of damage, and is an amazing turret diver. Okay great, but he can do all that from mid too, long as opposing mid not like Anivia. And only ganks that truly guaranteed are ult ganks, which you get from mid. Every other jungle has better river and lane ganks while farming twice as fast and having less mana reliant clears. Only way jungle Spartan works is if you have kills on ult CD, but even then as Spartan your ult ganks way stronger with lane farm. I just don't see it as the best use of his kit. That, and ult damage is only 400 at center of circle. Actual damage in practice is negligible. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22670 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:12 wei2coolman wrote: Even if you don't get the max damage, the residual damage + slow is more than enough. You could probably take away the damage component of his ulti, and he'd still see play currently. Oh i dont deny that panth is good just comment that saying he has a 400dmg ult at lvl 1 is a little misleading :p | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:25 Yezzus wrote: Does anyone think Galio will he viable or be seen more any time soon? I haven't seen him played at all consistently since i started this game at the start of s3. Yea i see him maybe once in a few hundred games. Galio is in a weird spot. He dumpsters on traditional mages, but traditional mages (ie, brand, Annie, Anivia) are not consistently found in any lane. This makes him really hard to pick, need a reasonable comp on your team, and need other team to have locked in a traditional mage which is telegraphed to a solo lane. He was hit pretty hard by penetration changes in S3, most of his damage is unreliable; slow moving skill shots and his ult is kind of clunky. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22670 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:23 iCanada wrote: Okay great, but he can do all that from mid too, long as opposing mid not like Anivia. And only ganks that truly guaranteed are ult ganks, which you get from mid. Every other jungle has better river and lane ganks while farming twice as fast and having less mana reliant clears. Only way jungle Spartan works is if you have kills on ult CD, but even then as Spartan your ult ganks way stronger with lane farm. I just don't see it as the best use of his kit. That, and ult damage is only 400 at center of circle. Actual damage in practice is negligible. The global ability is just so strong. Oh, not in position to counter the gank on bot? np, Press R, fuck them up. It's not really fair to compare Pantheon mid lane to Pantheon jungle, you're then comparing roles as opposed to comparing them to peers. his clear is pretty fast once he gets SotEL, and mana restraint isn't even an issue any more with the new SS item passives (that's why he's been seeing even more play/ban in pro games, cuz new SS items pretty much make mana an non issue while farming). Also, never underestimate the ability for easy isolation. Fuck having to use a skill shot like Elise, just press W, receive kill. That's probably one of the reasons Vi is so strong, her ulti is point and click. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 13 2014 04:25 Yezzus wrote: Does anyone think Galio will he viable or be seen more any time soon? I haven't seen him played at all consistently since i started this game at the start of s3. Yea i see him maybe once in a few hundred games. Riot said they were looking into giving him MR ratios, working on his ult's awfulness in Tenacity cases, and possibly adjusting his passive to be more that a stat converter. This was a while ago and, honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't even poked it's head up on the PBE yet. | ||
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Austria17960 Posts
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VeryAverage
United States424 Posts
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