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[Patch 4.2] Xerath/Skarner General Discussion - Page 12

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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 16:36:35
February 11 2014 16:35 GMT
#221
On February 11 2014 23:32 OmegaKnetus wrote:
I wonder which of my favourite champions is gonna get destroyed next by a "rework". They absolutely butchered Skarner, he lost everything that made him Fun to play and they nerfed him overall on top of it.
Hope they leave shaco be for a bit, I'm sure his rework will make him generic and boring aswell


wtf, the skarner rework frankly is one of their best. There is nothing good design-wise that comes from having a permanent but melee range slow, the heal was good for AP lulz but nothing else, the ult (the signature part of the kit) was flat out buffed so people no longer flash away during windup. In-game he actually plays almost identically to how he played before except you now have a reason to use E. The rework didn't make it so that you don't Q when they're in range, don't do the flip movement when you use R, or don't use W to help catch people. In terms of reworks this one was SUPER MILD. I mean, just look at Xerath, who's from THIS PATCH: he went from constant W->Q spam siege tank mechanics with RE for teamfights to... rooting himself every minute or so just for ultimate while gaining two more skill shots. His button-press gameplay is completely changed. And yet you say *Skarner* was the one butchered who lost everything that made him fun!

I'm not complaining about Xerath here, I'm just saying that if you think the Skarner rework utterly ruined him then I can't imagine a rework in the universe that you'd be satisfied with unless you actually didn't like the champion to begin with.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
February 11 2014 16:40 GMT
#222
On February 12 2014 01:18 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, I saw the messages too (there are different colors on the minimap to show the buffs too), but Yezzus is talking about in his smurf games in Silver on NA. I mean, you'd have told me back in s2, I could have understood, at there were macros somewhat popular at that time, but a bunch of people have picked up the habit of timing shit (well, mostly drake, I'm the only one I saw timing buffs and wards (Scip doesn't count it's in IHs)), if only after seeing TOO do it on stream, back when he was the most popular streamer.

Edit: uh? Never saw that one. Well, my bad then.

And damn lifesteal working off of Draven's Q is so disgusting in that video, when he kites Renekton (who was pretty fed too, he had 6 kills at that point iirc and took the outer top tower, so he must have had some damage).

I also time inhibitors. I am the only person whom I have ever seen do that though :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
February 11 2014 16:42 GMT
#223
On February 12 2014 01:40 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 01:18 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, I saw the messages too (there are different colors on the minimap to show the buffs too), but Yezzus is talking about in his smurf games in Silver on NA. I mean, you'd have told me back in s2, I could have understood, at there were macros somewhat popular at that time, but a bunch of people have picked up the habit of timing shit (well, mostly drake, I'm the only one I saw timing buffs and wards (Scip doesn't count it's in IHs)), if only after seeing TOO do it on stream, back when he was the most popular streamer.

Edit: uh? Never saw that one. Well, my bad then.

And damn lifesteal working off of Draven's Q is so disgusting in that video, when he kites Renekton (who was pretty fed too, he had 6 kills at that point iirc and took the outer top tower, so he must have had some damage).

I also time inhibitors. I am the only person whom I have ever seen do that though :3

psst ... the timer bot for inhibitors is integrated into the game itself
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
February 11 2014 16:43 GMT
#224
It only tells you 20 (25?) seconds ahead of time. Often you need to know a minute ahead in order to properly time a push :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 11 2014 16:44 GMT
#225
On February 12 2014 01:43 Scip wrote:
It only tells you 20 (25?) seconds ahead of time. Often you need to know a minute ahead in order to properly time a push :3

It also makes you a tryhard and I dont know about others but I dont want to be considered one.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 16:47:13
February 11 2014 16:46 GMT
#226
nvm
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 16:48:56
February 11 2014 16:46 GMT
#227
Teut wouldn't have edited that out.

On February 12 2014 01:40 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 01:18 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, I saw the messages too (there are different colors on the minimap to show the buffs too), but Yezzus is talking about in his smurf games in Silver on NA. I mean, you'd have told me back in s2, I could have understood, at there were macros somewhat popular at that time, but a bunch of people have picked up the habit of timing shit (well, mostly drake, I'm the only one I saw timing buffs and wards (Scip doesn't count it's in IHs)), if only after seeing TOO do it on stream, back when he was the most popular streamer.

Edit: uh? Never saw that one. Well, my bad then.

And damn lifesteal working off of Draven's Q is so disgusting in that video, when he kites Renekton (who was pretty fed too, he had 6 kills at that point iirc and took the outer top tower, so he must have had some damage).

I also time inhibitors. I am the only person whom I have ever seen do that though :3

Why haven't I ever seen you time inhibitors when we're playing inh-

Oh.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
February 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#228
On a second review it wasn't funny, that's why I edited it out. Not nearly clever and enough witty enough.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 11 2014 16:56 GMT
#229
I think there was real value to Skarner not needing to have his E in the old kit. Its not even a 1 Point wonder now, which is really an important thing to have in most kits.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 11 2014 16:58 GMT
#230
So how am I suppose to playout the leblanc matchup as lulu? Or any caster for that matter. It feels impossible to retaliate if leblanc gets the silence off.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 11 2014 17:04 GMT
#231
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 11 2014 17:05 GMT
#232
On February 12 2014 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.

You know there is an option that times baron/dragon if they are in vision and you just need to add 6/7 rite?
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 11 2014 17:14 GMT
#233
On February 12 2014 02:05 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.

You know there is an option that times baron/dragon if they are in vision and you just need to add 6/7 rite?

Too much work
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 11 2014 17:17 GMT
#234
On February 12 2014 02:14 Yezzus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 02:05 nafta wrote:
On February 12 2014 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.

You know there is an option that times baron/dragon if they are in vision and you just need to add 6/7 rite?

Too much work

Yeah looks like I have become the tryhard.Time to play only teemo with first item hurricane because I am in teemo's hurricane league.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 11 2014 17:17 GMT
#235
On February 12 2014 02:05 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.

You know there is an option that times baron/dragon if they are in vision and you just need to add 6/7 rite?

math's hard
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
February 11 2014 17:18 GMT
#236
My troll sense is tingling....

Too much work implies you know this is the case but simply don't care. I get that this is more than likely the case, but I feel like you do care or you wouldn't have gone out of the way to find a mod for it.

Also mods in league is dumb. Equal playing field is what makes this game worth it to me. The second you start adding these things in means all hope is lost/abandon ship/go to dota2.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 11 2014 17:26 GMT
#237
On February 12 2014 02:18 Cixah wrote:
My troll sense is tingling....

Too much work implies you know this is the case but simply don't care. I get that this is more than likely the case, but I feel like you do care or you wouldn't have gone out of the way to find a mod for it.

Also mods in league is dumb. Equal playing field is what makes this game worth it to me. The second you start adding these things in means all hope is lost/abandon ship/go to dota2.

Is the first paragraph to me? Because I never stated I found it . I am highly against it. It gives a slight advantage esp on teams where no one times anything. And I sai too much work as semi sarcasm because I rarely time things I rely on my team lol. U less it's a late game important baron
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
February 11 2014 17:32 GMT
#238
On February 12 2014 01:58 wei2coolman wrote:
So how am I suppose to playout the leblanc matchup as lulu? Or any caster for that matter. It feels impossible to retaliate if leblanc gets the silence off.


If lulu is like soraka, you can press whimsy on her out of range and if she dashes at you she'll be cc'd before she can cast
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
February 11 2014 17:42 GMT
#239
On February 12 2014 02:17 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 02:05 nafta wrote:
On February 12 2014 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.

You know there is an option that times baron/dragon if they are in vision and you just need to add 6/7 rite?

math's hard

I messed up dragon timer like 3 timer total during a tournament. Adding 6 or 7 can be hard yo
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
February 11 2014 17:55 GMT
#240
On February 12 2014 02:42 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 02:17 kongoline wrote:
On February 12 2014 02:05 nafta wrote:
On February 12 2014 02:04 Sufficiency wrote:
I really want a baron/dragon timer program to be honest. There is no actual skill in timing numbers and add 6/7. This is the biggest reason why I don't like playing jungle.

You know there is an option that times baron/dragon if they are in vision and you just need to add 6/7 rite?

math's hard

I messed up dragon timer like 3 timer total during a tournament. Adding 6 or 7 can be hard yo

lol scrub get good pls
God Bless
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