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Nos-
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On January 19 2014 08:07 Nos- wrote: Why ban blitz when you can ban thresh instead Why ban thresh when you can ban annie instead? Hate that b.... ¬_¬ | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On January 19 2014 02:50 WaveofShadow wrote: So, after all these years I can legitimately play trundle again? Jengle/toplane? Botrk + iceborn/triforce + funfire + SV? From jungle mebbe golem + botrk + tank? I wouldn't build BotRK and Triforce on Trundle unless Triforce is a 6th item. Sunfire isn't that great either imo, you need cdr and randuin's is pretty important too. I guess it helps with pushing a bit. In season 3 I typically went BotRK, Spirit Visage, Frozen Heart or IBG, Randuins, and then the last item is situational (Sunfire, Thornmail, Locket, etc). It's kind of hilarious how easily you can run down someone with pillar, BotRK, IBG, and Frozen Mallet. I never really arrived at a build I loved in the jungle. Pure tank may actually be best, you're pretty squishy for quite a while if you pick up a BotRK. I'd have to experiment given the changes with the new season. He's been pretty legit at both for a while. He crushes tanks if played well, so I'm not terribly surprised he's being played in LCS. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 19 2014 07:53 ArchAngelSC wrote: You've only just realized he's not being perma-banned NOW? I took a break during the end of S3, because outside of Blitz/Thresh I suck at support. Now I'm back and I ain't gonna lose! Blitz better support than Annie. Come @ me | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On January 19 2014 08:33 FinestHour wrote: so how do promotions to another league work now that theres no clamping lol you can now get demoted from gold > silver etv | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 19 2014 08:54 Amui wrote: IMO triforce is better on nasus. Scales off pretty much every single one of the stats(even if AP and mana are tertiary stats). Lategame nasus kills tanks anyways, and IIRC last time I did the math, triforce with under like 300-400 Q farm does more damage than LW to squishies, and lategame nasus can outduel pretty much every single tank in the game so long as he has mana. we revisited the math a few pages back and this statement is certainly not true if you factor in gold efficiency and even without factoring it in you get about the same damage vs squishies with LW and triforce on ~200 farm. the slight lead on squishy targets + the ap, hp, crit, and phage proc have to outweigh less damage vs tanks (prolly the one you are fighting in a splitpush battle) weaker scaling with additional Q stacks and 1500 gold. IMO LW is favored here especially if you consider the fact that you are gonna hit tanks far more often than squishies (and by more often I mean actual hits/game) overall and sometimes even in teamfights because you need a smaller amount of hits on a squishy to kill him than you need hits on a tank. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On January 19 2014 09:19 clickrush wrote: we revisited the math a few pages back and this statement is certainly not true if you factor in gold efficiency and even without factoring it in you get about the same damage vs squishies with LW and triforce on ~200 farm. the slight lead on squishy targets + the ap, hp, crit, and phage proc have to outweigh less damage vs tanks (prolly the one you are fighting in a splitpush battle) weaker scaling with additional Q stacks and 1500 gold. IMO LW is favored here especially if you consider the fact that you are gonna hit tanks far more often than squishies (and by more often I mean actual hits/game) overall and sometimes even in teamfights because you need a smaller amount of hits on a squishy to kill him than you need hits on a tank. I like how you are completely ignoring my math. That's pretty nice. From the post, a 200 stack Nasus Q against a 150 armor target does 330 damage with Triforce, and 270 damage with LW. You have 234 DPS with Triforce and 202 DPS with LW. So doing 20% more burst damage and 15% more sustained damage is "about the same" I guess. In fact, as was previously said, in order for them to be the same, your Q needs to be at 900 stacks. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On January 19 2014 09:37 Sufficiency wrote: Am I the only one who doesn't like the way cruzerthebruiser presents himself, with the backward hat and the "gangsta" look? He looks like a weirdo imo | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
He does, doesn't he? Dignitas already has an image problem with QTPIE, then they take this guy who isn't even that good as a player. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On January 19 2014 10:02 Sufficiency wrote: Guys LMQ is playing right now go watchhh Their hopes and dreams will be crushed like Quantic by NA Challengers. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 19 2014 09:42 Ketara wrote: I like how you are completely ignoring my math. That's pretty nice. From the post, a 200 stack Nasus Q against a 150 armor target does 330 damage with Triforce, and 270 damage with LW. You have 234 DPS with Triforce and 202 DPS with LW. So doing 20% more burst damage and 15% more sustained damage is "about the same" I guess. In fact, as was previously said, in order for them to be the same, your Q needs to be at 900 stacks. no i do not completely ignore you math. I responded to it and mentioned a few things. first off all E doesnt have 100% uptime (on sqishies who will most likely kite you you get like 1 hit on E or sth) so the numbers come a bit closer. Then second you are calculating with lvl 18 base damage. the 20% is at least a bit overestimated so yes you get a bit more damage on squishies for 40% more cost. And really the main argument here is that you are hitting tanks faaaaaaaar more often during the course of a game and probably even in teamfights. you gonna have the splitpush battle top against probably a tank, you have to fight the jungler who will have randuins+ some other armor item. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23357 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
What you are doing is generalizing a huge amount. You're saying that doing 20% or even 10% more damage is not a very big difference. You're saying that HP and mana and AP and movespeed on Trinity is not worth 1500g. You're also saying that you're going to not be level 18 but the opposing top lane tank / jungler is going to have 300 armor. You're also ignoring things like item buildups, etc. It's obvious that at some point in an infinitely long game Nasus will get enough stacks that LW will do more damage than Trinity. But that point is simply not going to come before you're at 6 items, regardless of who you're hitting. Also, to be fair, in our hypothetical 70 minute 1000 stack Nasus game where it actually would be a good idea to sell Trinity for LW for more damage, you're not going to care about damage at that point. You're going to have a 1500 damage 2 second cooldown Siphoning Strike even without LW. All you're going to want is the Trinity movespeed to get onto targets faster. | ||
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Crusnik
United States5378 Posts
On January 19 2014 10:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: Their hopes and dreams will be crushed like Quantic by NA Challengers. You mean crushing the dreams of the NA Challengers, vVv was way outclassed, like stupidly outclassed, it was actually kinda sad and funny to watch... | ||
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