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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On January 28 2014 04:58 Frudgey wrote: I feel like Trundle is good against a lot of hard-hitting lane bullies. Is it because Trundle's level one is absolutely godly? And on that vein, if Trundle is good against a lot of lane bullies why don't we see him played more? Or am I mistaken and Trundle doesn't actually perform that well against a lot of champions? He sustains pretty well because of his passive, doesn't have to use a CD or anything like Renekton/Vlad. He can out trade a lot of the current AD meta picks because he's stealing their AD with Q and if they are building tank stats, you steal them with your ulti. In the right situation, Trundle ult is godly. And honestly, I don't think many people are accustomed to the brute force he can throw at you at level 6. I think that as long as the current 'super tank' meta continues, we will start to see more Trundle. It might really depend on the player whether or not they want to pick Trundle or Shyv into Mundo. She has better wave clear and escapes a bit better, being able to jump over walls without the use of flash. He has a fair match up against Renekton, who is constantly a popular pick. I think maybe now that Shyvana has been nerfed a bit, after some time passes, we will see more and more players pick up Trundle to play against Mundo. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:00 GrandInquisitor wrote: Couldn't you make towers gain armor per nearby enemy champion and lose armor per nearby friendly champion? (Similar to how they gain armor when there are no nearby enemy minions.) That's just as opaque of a change as what they have now. Better options involve reverting earlier S4 changes designed at accomplishing other goals (but in true declarative sense, via multiple side effects), and then re-achieve those goals in ways that limited side effects. The problem comes from trying to effect an immediate reaction in both the competitive and solo scenes (re: S4 changes, esp gold income). It requires very non-subtle and usually opaque and declarative changes explicitly telling plays what you want them to do. The subtle changes like changing item power curves (nerfing multiplicative scaling) to provide incentives for alternative gold flow would take time to reach the professional scene, and even longer to diffuse to the casual one. We've seen that Riot likes to keep the two in sync even if some (like myself) hold the opinion that it is fundamentally futile. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:10 xes wrote: That's just as opaque of a change as what they have now. Better options involve reverting earlier S4 changes designed at accomplishing other goals (but in true declarative sense, via multiple side effects), and then re-achieve those goals in ways that limited side effects. I don't think people are complaining about the opacity, but rather the asymmetry. Plus, how is that any more opaque than the turret's current buffs? Reinforced armor +60 Armor and +100 Magic resist Unique passive - Backdoor plating : Gains 150 Armor and 150 Magic resistance when no enemy minions are in range for attack. This makes backdooring less effective than conventional pushing. It is not tested whether traps (Shaco's Jack in the box), pets (Annie's Tibbers or Yorick's ghouls) and monsters (a Golem brought around by Syndra's Force of Will) deactivate this passive too. Penetrating Bullets +30% Armor Penetration Unique passive - Dodge Piercing : Turret attacks can not be dodged Unique passive - Warming Up : Turrets gain 25% damage each time they strike a champion (Max 75% bonus damage). It should be noted that this passive is not champion-specific, meaning it keeps stacking even when switching between champions. In other words, it resets only when attacking a non-champion (pet, minion or monster). Unique passive - Heated Up : After the turret is fully heated, consecutive attacks against the same champion deal 25% additional damage (Max 50% bonus damage). | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Renekton is a big lane bully. Not the pinnacle but he's up there. He has strong early game but people have the impression that he drops off late game and I agree to a degree. Vs croc, your options are to pick someone who's an even bigger early lane bully (Garen/Darius) or someone who doesn't get dumpstered by Renekton in lane, slightly weaker early but much stronger with equal/more items at late game. Dyrus actually talked about this yesterday on stream about how he'd take a 6 item AP Nidalee over 6 item Renekton any day. The issue is as Renekton is to push your advantage early and stay ahead. 6 item Renek is obv going to shit on 4 item Nid. Teemo, bad idea. Renekton is your quinetessial AD caster. By level 4-5, he can dash in and enrage Q in your face to deal more damage and heal. In general, gap closers in top lane hurts Teemo considerably. Vlad, doable. Be the aggro at level 1, push the lane early and hit level 2 and 3 first. Avoid positioning yourself in the creep like where you can get double dashed to. Defensive when lane is pushed into you. Play aggro when you have the creep wave. If croc is dumb enough to dash in when you have the wave on your side, fight. Force him to eat more minion damage can he can trade out. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:18 Ketara wrote: I get that asymmetry is unattractive, but the map was already asymetric before this change. Indeed. In fact, I'd be fine with more asymmetry. Put health relics in da top lane. Riot pls. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:18 Ketara wrote: I get that asymmetry is unattractive, but the map was already asymetric before this change. And no one liked the bush changes either due to assymmetry issues. On January 28 2014 05:20 Lord Tolkien wrote: Indeed. In fact, I'd be fine with more asymmetry. Put health relics in da top lane. Riot pls. Should just turn top lane into howling abyss | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:10 AsnSensation wrote: hahaha IEM WC 100k take it all for Sc2, imagine If our World Championships had 2 Million $ winner takes it all for the first place team. I'd probably shit my pants if I had to play that match. Faker could buy SO.MUCH.CHICKEN | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
Could just be random static spawns or have them spawn in current positions as default but any time both are dead at the same time the spawns swap. So if you do Dragon once pre-15 then Baron spawns bot, 2 times and he's top etc. etc. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:21 wei2coolman wrote: Should just turn top lane into howling abyss Oh, so we can ban junglers from visiting top now too? I agree with that. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:19 NeoIllusions wrote: My thoughts on Renekton: Renekton is a big lane bully. Not the pinnacle but he's up there. He has strong early game but people have the impression that he drops off late game and I agree to a degree. Vs croc, your options are to pick someone who's an even bigger early lane bully (Garen/Darius) or someone who doesn't get dumpstered by Renekton in lane, slightly weaker early but much stronger with equal/more items at late game. Dyrus actually talked about this yesterday on stream about how he'd take a 6 item AP Nidalee over 6 item Renekton any day. The issue is as Renekton is to push your advantage early and stay ahead. 6 item Renek is obv going to shit on 4 item Nid. Teemo, bad idea. Renekton is your quinetessial AD caster. By level 4-5, he can dash in and enrage Q in your face to deal more damage and heal. In general, gap closers in top lane hurts Teemo considerably. Vlad, doable. Be the aggro at level 1, push the lane early and hit level 2 and 3 first. Avoid positioning yourself in the creep like where you can get double dashed to. Defensive when lane is pushed into you. Play aggro when you have the creep wave. If croc is dumb enough to dash in when you have the wave on your side, fight. Force him to eat more minion damage can he can trade out. Does Renekton even need to auto you and draw aggro? That is really why I hate him as, for instance, Jax. My trading = minions, his is just free harass. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:19 NeoIllusions wrote: My thoughts on Renekton: Renekton is a big lane bully. Not the pinnacle but he's up there. He has strong early game but people have the impression that he drops off late game and I agree to a degree. Vs croc, your options are to pick someone who's an even bigger early lane bully (Garen/Darius) or someone who doesn't get dumpstered by Renekton in lane, slightly weaker early but much stronger with equal/more items at late game. Dyrus actually talked about this yesterday on stream about how he'd take a 6 item AP Nidalee over 6 item Renekton any day. The issue is as Renekton is to push your advantage early and stay ahead. 6 item Renek is obv going to shit on 4 item Nid. Teemo, bad idea. Renekton is your quinetessial AD caster. By level 4-5, he can dash in and enrage Q in your face to deal more damage and heal. In general, gap closers in top lane hurts Teemo considerably. Vlad, doable. Be the aggro at level 1, push the lane early and hit level 2 and 3 first. Avoid positioning yourself in the creep like where you can get double dashed to. Defensive when lane is pushed into you. Play aggro when you have the creep wave. If croc is dumb enough to dash in when you have the wave on your side, fight. Force him to eat more minion damage can he can trade out. Who would you call the pinnacle of lane bullies? I mean of course it will vary from match up to match up, but are there some champions that you'd classify as the biggest lane bullies? Because I always assumed that Renekton was best lane bullies out there. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:57 Frudgey wrote: Who would you call the pinnacle of lane bullies? I mean of course it will vary from match up to match up, but are there some champions that you'd classify as the biggest lane bullies? Because I always assumed that Renekton was best lane bullies out there. I'd call yorick the "pinnacle of lane bullies" most match ups amount to crying until the pain is over and you win because that's a yorick. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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lega
Canada290 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I consider Riven and Darius at the top. The latter dumps on pretty much any meter but has more trouble with ranged champions than croc. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:03 Fusilero wrote: I'd call yorick the "pinnacle of lane bullies" most match ups amount to crying until the pain is over and you win because that's a yorick. so true, yorick no contest | ||
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