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On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O
She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle.
I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well.
Hidden OP is Syndra support.
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On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support.
You misspelled Morgana. Hard counter them melee supports.
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didn't realize this but udyr so strong in 3's lol
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On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support.
Only her first clear is moderately slow. She only has mana issues if you Q into every camp like a reckless Amumu.
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One issue is that Sejuani does not splitpush as well as Mundo or Shyvana can since she still has to pay mana to spam her abilities. Neither does she have any poke like Mundo Cleavers, or the raw damage to straight solo threaten a carry. (Compare Sej max 360+10%hp to Shyv 595+140%AD. It's not even close.) She's also missing a reliable %hp damage skill (I don't count her charge as a reliable %hp damage skill since it has such a long CD and is not supposed to be used for chunking people).
Big Pig does not provide that damaging tank threat that runs at you and makes you hit her because she's a threat. She's a controlling tank that provides a ridic amount of slows and a great Ult that chains well for initiation and is a nice way to punish a team that tries to rely on kiting and speed. But if she wants to break the backline she's going to need help to do so.
Well, unless they patch in those ridic test stats.
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On December 24 2013 07:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. You misspelled Morgana. Hard counter them melee supports.
I've been wanting to try Morgana, but support Syndra is so broken right now and I'm having a lot of fun playing her. She snowballs easily and has a very strong mid-game timing.
The problem I see with Morgana is that she seems squishy and without something like RoA or Hourglass, getting close enough to use Soul Shackles seems like a death wish. But I still have yet to play her.
On December 24 2013 07:16 Gahlo wrote:
Only her first clear is moderately slow. She only has mana issues if you Q into every camp like a reckless Amumu.
Actually I think her clear gets slower the more you go on.
The way I play her is WEQ, E > W > Q, first item Golem. I feel like a strong permafrost helps a ton with ganks, but I can also see the damage suffering and the clear becoming slow.
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On December 24 2013 07:21 MoonBear wrote:
One issue is that Sejuani does not splitpush as well as Mundo or Shyvana can since she still has to pay mana to spam her abilities. Neither does she have any poke like Mundo Cleavers, or the raw damage to straight solo threaten a carry. (Compare Sej max 360+10%hp to Shyv 595+140%AD. It's not even close.) She's also missing a reliable %hp damage skill (I don't count her charge as a reliable %hp damage skill since it has such a long CD and is not supposed to be used for chunking people).
Big Pig does not provide that damaging tank threat that runs at you and makes you hit her because she's a threat. She's a controlling tank that provides a ridic amount of slows and a great Ult that chains well for initiation and is a nice way to punish a team that tries to rely on kiting and speed. But if she wants to break the backline she's going to need help to do so.
Well, unless they patch in those ridic test stats.
Huh?
Also, comparing her to Mundo and Shyvana as if she fills the same role is misleading.
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On December 23 2013 10:31 Eiii wrote:
Back on topic: It's been three days since I earned the poro icon. Why the FUCK don't I have it yet?!?!?
can we get a rioter to look into this it's very important to me
Update: still no justice in the world. still broken game
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On December 24 2013 07:16 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. Only her first clear is moderately slow. She only has mana issues if you Q into every camp like a reckless Amumu.
well on the ptr the jungle fist has the 12% damage converted to mana passive, if that goes live, she'll be one of the faster clears in the game after 1st
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On December 24 2013 07:37 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 10:31 Eiii wrote:
Back on topic: It's been three days since I earned the poro icon. Why the FUCK don't I have it yet?!?!?
can we get a rioter to look into this it's very important to me Update: still no justice in the world. still broken game
My friend messages me every day and makes fun of me because it hasn't appeared yet.
Riot stop ruining my Christmas!
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On December 24 2013 07:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. You misspelled Morgana. Hard counter them melee supports.
I instalock Morgana if the enemy picks Leona, Alistar, Taric, Blitz, sometimes even Thresh.
She completely nullifies those 4
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Sej is team fight champ, not split pusher.
In my experience her dueling is mediocre to terrible, the damage she inflicts on towers is shit, she can't poke and can have mana problems. I would never use her as a split pusher unless you just want her to clear pushed lanes or something.
Sej really wants someone with her to take advantage of her slows in a fight.
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On December 24 2013 08:10 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. You misspelled Morgana. Hard counter them melee supports. I instalock Morgana if the enemy picks Leona, Alistar, Taric, Blitz, sometimes even Thresh. She completely nullifies those 4
playing thresh into morgana support is the stuff of nightmares, if you dont have ezreal as your adc theres absolutely no way to remove black shield so you cant do shit to stop them : (
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On December 24 2013 07:37 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 10:31 Eiii wrote:
Back on topic: It's been three days since I earned the poro icon. Why the FUCK don't I have it yet?!?!?
can we get a rioter to look into this it's very important to me Update: still no justice in the world. still broken game
Update 2: got it, thx riot!
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On December 24 2013 07:16 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. Only her first clear is moderately slow. She only has mana issues if you Q into every camp like a reckless Amumu.
She has zero ability to do the Wight camp in any reasonable time.
Her clear is only not slow if you pretend that camp doesn't exist. Which has an enormous impact on your leveling speed against a jungler who can clear it reliably (e.g. Lee Sin, Elise)
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So I have not posted in a while, or not really at all but I just have to ask your opinion on this guy I had in my game. Hopefully this is the right thread for this....
Well we had a game where our mid dc'ed at the beginning and never came back. The game was over quickly and it wasn't even close. No one had a good time since it was a waste of 20 minutes. We ask them to push down mid and they didn't do anything and waited out the 20 minutes for us to surrender. At the end of the game, I said, "bg, dc". that is when it all started.
This guy went on and on, like literally 20 lines of hate coming my way for saying bg (I didn't copy pasta it sorry  guise). Like I should kill myself, he did my mom, I should bleep myself, and people like me are ruining the game blah blah blah. I never responded. My friends thought it was hilarious and added him as a friend when I left my comp. Then he kept messaging me calling me more offensive names and once again, I should kill myself without a single response from me.
Is saying bg at the end of the game that bad of a deal if it wasn't a good game? Wasn't there something on reddit about that?
Also, been playing a little bit since season 4, and still have no idea what is the best trinket for who and when to get which trinket in what situation. Like is the red one generally better for jungling and yellow for laning?
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On December 24 2013 08:26 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:16 Gahlo wrote:On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. Only her first clear is moderately slow. She only has mana issues if you Q into every camp like a reckless Amumu. She has zero ability to do the Wight camp in any reasonable time. Her clear is only not slow if you pretend that camp doesn't exist. Which has an enormous impact on your leveling speed against a jungler who can clear it reliably (e.g. Lee Sin, Elise)
Or Double Golems, she is slow there as well.
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Most junglers I see start yellow and get red after their first back. Same goes for supports. Other people just stick with yellow.
I don't consider saying "bg" that offensive if there was a d/c or a troll, but if you say it because you just straight up lost you are kind-of a sore loser jerk.
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On December 24 2013 07:48 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:16 Gahlo wrote:On December 24 2013 07:13 kainzero wrote:On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.
She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.
Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.
:O She clears slow as hell and if you don't have blue you have mana issues in the jungle. I wouldn't call her anywhere near OP but you can certainly play her and do well. Hidden OP is Syndra support. Only her first clear is moderately slow. She only has mana issues if you Q into every camp like a reckless Amumu. well on the ptr the jungle fist has the 12% damage converted to mana passive, if that goes live, she'll be one of the faster clears in the game after 1st
Is it really that high? The last change I'm able to find on FF@20 is 4% damage as mana, halved for AOE.
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On December 24 2013 07:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2013 07:21 MoonBear wrote:
One issue is that Sejuani does not splitpush as well as Mundo or Shyvana can since she still has to pay mana to spam her abilities. Neither does she have any poke like Mundo Cleavers, or the raw damage to straight solo threaten a carry. (Compare Sej max 360+10%hp to Shyv 595+140%AD. It's not even close.) She's also missing a reliable %hp damage skill (I don't count her charge as a reliable %hp damage skill since it has such a long CD and is not supposed to be used for chunking people).
Big Pig does not provide that damaging tank threat that runs at you and makes you hit her because she's a threat. She's a controlling tank that provides a ridic amount of slows and a great Ult that chains well for initiation and is a nice way to punish a team that tries to rely on kiting and speed. But if she wants to break the backline she's going to need help to do so.
Well, unless they patch in those ridic test stats. Huh? Also, comparing her to Mundo and Shyvana as if she fills the same role is misleading.
Sorry, will explain a bit further. The thing is Sej requires you to build the team comp much more heavily around her and has more significant drawbacks to picking her in order to take advantage of the power she brings. In contrast, Mundo and Shyv are much safer picks that can slot into many team comps well and fulfil the tanky frontline duty of Sej but with less drawbacks. They may have less CC, but at this point most team comps will have a boatload of CC anyway so having a tank that can also act as a strong threat while providing poke/splitpush duties is pretty good.
There's also the issue where that being easy to use in a team comp, being able to draft without revealing too much information, or opening up weaknesses your opponents can then draft to exploit is important. Of course this matters less as you filter down skill levels (and skill + not making mistakes tends to matter far more than theoretical "best" team comps in solo queue) but it's still something to consider.
As for her test stats, well, let's say I had the joy of play-testing a ridiculously buffed Sej once.
It was glorious.
On December 24 2013 09:00 Rooster Cogburn wrote:
So I have not posted in a while, or not really at all but I just have to ask your opinion on this guy I had in my game. Hopefully this is the right thread for this....[SNIP]
"bg" is often used as a "Well my team sucked wasn't my fault we lost" sort of way. But 4v5s are rough however you look at it. Maybe next time type a full sentence like "Disconnects are never fun. Oh well, gg" or something. I mean, if you're getting crushed you probably don't need to be micro-ing anyway lol.
And if someone is going to be unreasonable (like in this case) then just ignore them.
Your choice of Trinket kinda depends. If you want to play more controlling then the free wards can give you vision to control and contest jungle objectives, and keep your lanes safe if they're forgetting to ward. (Now, whether they have map awareness to see things in ward vision is another question.) Red is fine if you want to make sure things aren't warded when you gank but since clearing vision is so limited there's no guarantee you walked through something else just outside of sweeper range. There's no real right answer and it comes down to personal preference, but personally I prefer the Ward Trinket since I like the extra control I feel I have from more vision, and I can just lane gank anyway. And you can always swap it out for a sweeper mid-game for controlling big objectives later on. But each to their own.
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