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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 23 2013 19:55 GMT
#1821
Well riot wanted the game to not be snowbally and make comebacks a lot easier and they definitely accomplished it.As someone who has played from s1 so far I enjoy pre s4 the most from all seasons(ad main).
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 23 2013 19:55 GMT
#1822
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 23 2013 19:56 GMT
#1823
Godlike renamed himself to ackerman, real.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 23 2013 19:58 GMT
#1824
On December 24 2013 04:56 AsnSensation wrote:
Godlike renamed himself to ackerman, real.

SnK too strong.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 23 2013 20:03 GMT
#1825
On December 24 2013 04:58 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:56 AsnSensation wrote:
Godlike renamed himself to ackerman, real.

SnK too strong.


XiaoWeiXiao needs to rename himself IMO. It's just way too confusing for NA fans.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 23 2013 20:11 GMT
#1826
On December 24 2013 05:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:58 Gahlo wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:56 AsnSensation wrote:
Godlike renamed himself to ackerman, real.

SnK too strong.


XiaoWeiXiao needs to rename himself IMO. It's just way too confusing for NA fans.

XiaoWeiXiaoXiao. You can never have too many xiaos :>
Glorious SEA doto
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 20:24:29
December 23 2013 20:16 GMT
#1827
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game. You can't compare her clear speed to Shyvana or even that of Mundo or Udyr. Each of those 3 have amazing clear speed from the start. If you want to compare clear speed it would be closer to Nautilus, Volibear, Amumu (after 1st clear for sure) and at more J4 who is probably faster than the rest I listed.
Baneslayer Angel could be hungover, slightly blind, and texting while flying and still win the game
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 20:17:13
December 23 2013 20:17 GMT
#1828
On December 24 2013 05:16 captharlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game.


Sejuani got weaker in S4 though. Bruiser meta too hard to deal with.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 23 2013 20:22 GMT
#1829
On December 24 2013 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:16 captharlock wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game.


Sejuani got weaker in S4 though. Bruiser meta too hard to deal with.

Hurray for Liandry's!
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
December 23 2013 20:30 GMT
#1830
Won't disagree with that. Bruiser meta a pain to deal with when using her.

Liandry's is like a 4th, 5th or 6th item on her depending on how your building her. At that point bruisers like Riven start getting out of control.
Baneslayer Angel could be hungover, slightly blind, and texting while flying and still win the game
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 20:35:19
December 23 2013 20:35 GMT
#1831
bruiser

riven

wat
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
December 23 2013 20:41 GMT
#1832
On December 24 2013 04:54 JonnyLaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 03:27 Kupon3ss wrote:
A popular NA streamer/hightierpubber once noted that gold on KR is about the same as diamond in NA. Bronze KR in SC2 was about the same level as gold in the West as well. There's no reason to believe that a similar gap doesn't exist here.



Again, this is not true. The highest levels are much more competitive but I still made masters on kr in sc2 with huge ping in a short number of games. Getting into the higher levels of masters was impossible with the lag and would have been very difficult without it.

Bad gamers are bad everywhere. Low diamond/high plat in Korea might be d1 here. Anything more than that is a gross exagerration. Also remember there are less players on the kr server.


People are under the assumption that just because the koreans are the best at the top tier of competition means that the entire server is incredible. It's not, and it's not on SC or on LoL. Beyond the upper tiers of play (mid masters and above or so) and diamond on LoL) it is almost EXACTLY the same.

Koreans are also insanely bad mannered to everyone, especially english speakers.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 23 2013 20:47 GMT
#1833
holy mother of $$, Cop got 1,4k bonus for this kill
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 23 2013 20:51 GMT
#1834
On December 24 2013 05:22 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:16 captharlock wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game.


Sejuani got weaker in S4 though. Bruiser meta too hard to deal with.

Hurray for Liandry's!


Liandry's is a luxury item though. I wouldn't go for that unless I am fed.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 23 2013 21:10 GMT
#1835
On December 24 2013 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:16 captharlock wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game.


Sejuani got weaker in S4 though. Bruiser meta too hard to deal with.


She should be part of that bruiser meta. lol. Just because all bruisers are good doesn't mean another bruiser is bad. What kind of logic is that...

Not exactly like Mundo/Shy/Renekton can deal with Sejuani with similar levels of farm. And Sejuani is far more distruptive than any of those champions. Sej is much much much better at creating favourable initiations and fights. Sejuani is also much more capable of saving an AD carry as well compared to those champions.

She also gets a metric fuckton of free stats from her passive... 50 armor and 25% tenacity is pretty damn good. Her damage scales with both her and her targets HP, and she has the strongest slow in the game in PermaFrost.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
December 23 2013 21:13 GMT
#1836
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O

I bought her on my na account and she is incredibly underrated. I feel like you need to make stuff happen though. She has a monstrous lategame, but it takes an awfully long time to get there if you can't get rolling.

I wouldn't say she's snowball reliant, but she shines when she gets a few items.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 23 2013 21:14 GMT
#1837
On December 24 2013 05:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:22 Gahlo wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:16 captharlock wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game.


Sejuani got weaker in S4 though. Bruiser meta too hard to deal with.

Hurray for Liandry's!


Liandry's is a luxury item though. I wouldn't go for that unless I am fed.

Not a luxury in this day and age.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
December 23 2013 21:44 GMT
#1838
On December 24 2013 06:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 05:51 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:22 Gahlo wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:17 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 24 2013 05:16 captharlock wrote:
On December 24 2013 04:55 iCanada wrote:
Calling it now, Sejuani is hidden OP S4.

She clears really well, like almost as well or better than Shyvana after first clear, and she is good in arranged and solo queue.

Imagine Shyvana minus the free MR and with a AoE ranged engage stun with a knockup and a slow. That my friends is Sejuani.

:O


Seji has been good since s3. She is a good ganker pre-6 and they get better post-6. Although her ult was better pre-rework. The main issue with her is that she can have a stagnating mid game.


Sejuani got weaker in S4 though. Bruiser meta too hard to deal with.

Hurray for Liandry's!


Liandry's is a luxury item though. I wouldn't go for that unless I am fed.

Not a luxury in this day and age.


Why?

A Sejuani doesn't need to kill a Mundo... Sejuani only need to be able to make sure Mundo doesn't kill his carry, or kill their carry. Its not like you pick any bruiser while saying to yourself "Man, I should pick Shyvana, then I can kill that 6 item Mundo!"

I'll say it right now, Sejuani is probably the best teamfighting tank in the game. No one else has all the tools she does. If she snowballs she just hard dives and wins. If she doesn't she farms well and has probably the best Initiating and peeling in the game. She has the tools to snowball hard too.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 21:55:31
December 23 2013 21:54 GMT
#1839
I think he means getting to 6 items isn't really that rare (it seems like 50/50 20 min surrender or 6 item game these days), however I agree it's pretty optional if that was what he had meant.

it's not like Liandry's burn is going to make or break your ability to kill mundo like a Morello's or ignite can.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 23 2013 21:59 GMT
#1840
On December 24 2013 06:54 Slusher wrote:
I think he means getting to 6 items isn't really that rare (it seems like 50/50 20 min surrender or 6 item game these days), however I agree it's pretty optional if that was what he had meant.

it's not like Liandry's burn is going to make or break your ability to kill mundo like a Morello's or ignite can.

Yup.
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