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Gorsameth
Netherlands22283 Posts
On January 05 2014 12:00 justiceknight wrote: can any1 explain the bot lane inhibitor advantage late game? I heard some ppl said about the patch changes and i dont understand I assume its because its the furthest away from Baron so a bigger chance to force the choice between contesting baron or having minions take down nexus towers. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 05 2014 12:00 justiceknight wrote: can any1 explain the bot lane inhibitor advantage late game? I heard some ppl said about the patch changes and i dont understand Super minions are stronger when they actually happen so they must be addressed, if bot is taken late someone has to always go bot to deal with it. That exposes baron heavily since it's the most travel time possible which is massive late. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On January 05 2014 11:24 Alaric wrote: He can win if he forces her to manfight. But when she has a stun, a triple dash, a shield+dash, and is sure to hit 2 first while having a more powerful level 2 all-in than his, it's pretty hard to obtain it without ruining your health or wave control first. I don't even think that's true Alaric, pantheon bodies Riven level 1. Without taking into account runes, masteries, pantheon passive, and Panthers higher auto range and ranged spells, panth does fifty more damage in an all in than riven. Also pantheon has eighty more starting hp, better defence, a higher base attack speed, a higher move speed and isn't out of things to do whereas riven has a fifteen second CD to go "shit..." while pantheon chucks four more spears. Certainly, riven can outplay panth at level one, but riven certainly doesn't have the advantage. Panth can assert his will from one till riven hits two, from level four till riven hits six, and then pantheon if played right should be ahead by twenty thirty cs or a kill. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
playing mid with his top champions is like a quicfix bandaid. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On January 05 2014 11:40 ticklishmusic wrote: Dignitas n1 underperformers NA Perpetual underperformers, and Olympic quality track and field athletes. They're taking silver now that we have Throwbargains tho. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I agree that otherwise Pantheon has a better level 1 than Riven through Q's range and cd mostly. Maybe I'm too wary of his mana costs though, I tend to consider Pantheon's harass pretty conservatively so you still have some mana at levels 2 and 3, which in turns makes me rate him lower than assuming he's going balls out to kill her at 2 or something. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
Wildturtle does it too but he's legitimately enough better than most pro players that he gets away with it (for now at least). | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 05 2014 12:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It's arguable about bot or mid being the most important inhib to take down. I used to think it was mid because it split the map in half for the other team but the distinct advantage of having bottom inhib down is that it's guaranteed to force at least one member of their team to be completely isolated from the rest of their team, which sets up a very simple way to take a baron or force a favorable 4v5. I think Mid is just the easiest turret to take down because how minions pile in. Also its just easier to rotate your whole team there after you clean up both sidelanes. Taking top or bot give you much more map control. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On January 05 2014 13:35 ticklishmusic wrote: WT can play smart when he needs to though. Tbh I think he jungles better than a lot of pros who actually main that too lol, obv solo queue performance isn't a substitute for arranged tourney play, but the fact he can maintain a challenger smurf as a jungle main means he's pretty good at it. I've seen WT play jg, top, mid, and they're all very solid, if not better than a lot of challengers. A team of 5 WT can beat up some current LCS teams easily. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 05 2014 14:24 canikizu wrote: I've seen WT play jg, top, mid, and they're all very solid, if not better than a lot of challengers. A team of 5 WT can beat up some current LCS teams easily. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zSb1xJy.png) Am I doing this right? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
If only to be defeated by 5 fakers. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 05 2014 14:56 Xevious wrote: i believe that the "3 legendary spirit items", as they would said in pokemon, were not necessary. they just had to make one decently good spirit, 1600g cost that upgraded from spirit stone + ruby crystal. then buff wriggles to not suck ass and be on par with it and we can go back to having normal build orders. the spirit item has conservation passive to encourage farming in between ganking on mana/ability using junglers. So the three items aren't necessary, but if instead we just had one then we could have normal build orders? What does this even mean? | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On January 05 2014 13:53 cLutZ wrote: I think Mid is just the easiest turret to take down because how minions pile in. Also its just easier to rotate your whole team there after you clean up both sidelanes. Taking top or bot give you much more map control. bot and top super minions are getting shot by one turret mostly, so they take down nexus turrets if the team doesnt stop them. mid minions have 2 turrets shooting them. I dont know about season 4, but that was always a good reason to take side inhibs if at all possible. top is close to baron, so that usually doesnt do much, though. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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