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On January 05 2014 13:07 Alaric wrote:
What I meant was that if Pantheon gets in range to hit Riven's triple Q (and depending on minion positioning obv.) she's going to outdamage him pretty hard, so he has to play with that in mind since taking too much damage at level 1 means a more dangerous level 2 all-in.
I agree that otherwise Pantheon has a better level 1 than Riven through Q's range and cd mostly. Maybe I'm too wary of his mana costs though, I tend to consider Pantheon's harass pretty conservatively so you still have some mana at levels 2 and 3, which in turns makes me rate him lower than assuming he's going balls out to kill her at 2 or something.
But even during a fight in which riven and panth start a melee trade together level one in melee range with no spears from pantheon landing prior to engagement and pantheon having no shield he wins the fight.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423340¤tpage=162#3224
I actually did the maths for you in August, again in a situation that favors riven. If you change the runes in the above to flat AD or lifesteal it goes further in pantheons favor.
If Pantheon loses one vs one to riven at level one the pantheon miss played by either fighting in riven creeps, magically losing passive stacks to creeps, or just trading poorly or not at all.
In any realistic level one trade between riven and pantheon, pantheon gets a passive block and starts the fight with a free spear and wins by already 100 hp.
Only realistic scenario where riven wins level one is if you start something dumb like boots or mass sustain abd riven goes dblade or red pot.
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On January 05 2014 16:36 TheLink wrote:
Pushing a specific inhib after winning a teamfight or getting baron is waaaaaay too much work. It's a miracle if you can get your team to group up and push at all, who cares which lane, hence push mid.
It's simple, promise your team that there will be jungle camps to farm after pushing a lane and they'll do it. Because you must always farm those jungle camps
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On January 05 2014 18:29 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 16:36 TheLink wrote:
Pushing a specific inhib after winning a teamfight or getting baron is waaaaaay too much work. It's a miracle if you can get your team to group up and push at all, who cares which lane, hence push mid. It's simple, promise your team that there will be jungle camps to farm after pushing a lane and they'll do it. Because you must always farm those jungle camps
But what if your conservation stacks are maxed?!
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Anyone tried Brand support yet?
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On January 05 2014 18:58 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 18:29 Fusilero wrote:On January 05 2014 16:36 TheLink wrote:
Pushing a specific inhib after winning a teamfight or getting baron is waaaaaay too much work. It's a miracle if you can get your team to group up and push at all, who cares which lane, hence push mid. It's simple, promise your team that there will be jungle camps to farm after pushing a lane and they'll do it. Because you must always farm those jungle camps But what if your conservation stacks are maxed?!
Fat fingers -> sry for smiting that blue buff bro
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I don't know why every site keeps ignoring Impact in these end year awards. Sure everyone loves Shy and Flame (myself very much included) but he didn't pop up in any top3 for Solo sidelane as far as I can tell although he's been just as consistent as everyone else on SKT T1 K. I guess they didn't want to have a T1 K player on every position since Faker and Bengi are #1 MId/faker in almost every ranking I've seen.
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Why do i have to play against high plats/low diamonds to get into my promos for plat? like wat...
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On January 05 2014 12:55 Lord Tolkien wrote:Perpetual underperformers, and Olympic quality track and field athletes. They're taking silver now that we have Throwbargains tho.
Well it's just because throwbargains can actually take leads.
Dignitas has no more occasion to throw !
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On January 05 2014 19:05 Zhiroo wrote:
Anyone tried Brand support yet?
I played it with a friend a few times, nothing serious. Seems pretty fun, but not all that good. Feels like brand falls off pretty hard compared to like an annie or something.
Sion/brand is an insanely fun lane bottom, though. You can start towerdiving at like level four against most lanes.
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On January 05 2014 19:05 Zhiroo wrote:
Anyone tried Brand support yet?
Snowballs. You must get ahead early to be relevant late. Brand's main advantage is his raw damage, so you need to get ahead early to build some. He can't rely on his single target, skillshot based CC to still be relevant.
That said, if you do get ahead, you will crush lane ridiculously easily. The good thing is his damage early in the the game (like levels 1-6ish) is outstanding. A full Brand combo, even without ult, basically forces the enemy adc to play really passively. His poke isn't terrible either, with the burn coming in very handy.
It's fun, but I find Brand to be a very fun champ to play anyway.
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I lost to a brand support badly. Bot got crushed but he was mid-diamond duo'd in a low plat game. I guess not the worst but pushes the lane and has only one cc if you want a non-empirical answer.
*as a side note the improved ghost nerf hurt singed so badly. That champ feels even worse than after the tenacity ult nerf.
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Saw Qtpie play it, but he wasn't playing Brand support but Brand Carry! :D
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Brand support is stupid good, doesn't even matter if he "falls off" lategame (and as the support position, he won't) because of his god-tier laning and his good teamfighting (and if Brand picks up a rylais he's going to be permaslowing the whole team for 35+% due to the way rylai works with his passive) while shredding tanks (hello mundo/shyv/renek/rengar/otherbeefcaketoplanersandjunglers) and if he picks up a liandry's, god help the enemy team.
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On January 05 2014 22:46 Dusty wrote:
Brand support is stupid good, doesn't even matter if he "falls off" lategame (and as the support position, he won't) because of his god-tier laning and his good teamfighting (and if Brand picks up a rylais he's going to be permaslowing the whole team for 35+% due to the way rylai works with his passive) while shredding tanks (hello mundo/shyv/renek/rengar/otherbeefcaketoplanersandjunglers) and if he picks up a liandry's, god help the enemy team.
why dont you play him in a solo lane (or even jungle ) then? cause support just kinda sounds underwhelming if you dont crush the lane
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On January 05 2014 22:58 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 22:46 Dusty wrote:
Brand support is stupid good, doesn't even matter if he "falls off" lategame (and as the support position, he won't) because of his god-tier laning and his good teamfighting (and if Brand picks up a rylais he's going to be permaslowing the whole team for 35+% due to the way rylai works with his passive) while shredding tanks (hello mundo/shyv/renek/rengar/otherbeefcaketoplanersandjunglers) and if he picks up a liandry's, god help the enemy team. why dont you play him in a solo lane (or even jungle ) then? cause support just kinda sounds underwhelming if you dont crush the lane
Has anyone tried brand jungle? I know meteos loves but has anyone tried it seriously.
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On January 05 2014 22:58 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 22:46 Dusty wrote:
Brand support is stupid good, doesn't even matter if he "falls off" lategame (and as the support position, he won't) because of his god-tier laning and his good teamfighting (and if Brand picks up a rylais he's going to be permaslowing the whole team for 35+% due to the way rylai works with his passive) while shredding tanks (hello mundo/shyv/renek/rengar/otherbeefcaketoplanersandjunglers) and if he picks up a liandry's, god help the enemy team. why dont you play him in a solo lane (or even jungle ) then? cause support just kinda sounds underwhelming if you dont crush the lane
because he's not good enough of a solo laner to justify putting him in one, nor does he scale with farm as well as the other ones. Put him in a duo lane as a "support", however...
also, his ap ratios are bad which is partially why he just prefers utility oriented AP items like rylai/liandry
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On January 05 2014 23:39 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 22:58 Paljas wrote:On January 05 2014 22:46 Dusty wrote:
Brand support is stupid good, doesn't even matter if he "falls off" lategame (and as the support position, he won't) because of his god-tier laning and his good teamfighting (and if Brand picks up a rylais he's going to be permaslowing the whole team for 35+% due to the way rylai works with his passive) while shredding tanks (hello mundo/shyv/renek/rengar/otherbeefcaketoplanersandjunglers) and if he picks up a liandry's, god help the enemy team. why dont you play him in a solo lane (or even jungle ) then? cause support just kinda sounds underwhelming if you dont crush the lane because he's not good enough of a solo laner to justify putting him in one, nor does he scale with farm as well as the other ones. Put him in a duo lane as a "support", however... also, his ap ratios are bad which is partially why he just prefers utility oriented AP items like rylai/liandry
I think rilay is a bit overrated on brand as a core item. There are at least two items you certainly want to have before rilay: athenes and voidstaff. Athenes is the best item on brand, ofc Talisman can be a substitute if you play him as a babysitter. Voidstaff is the thing that scales his basedamage the most especially if you buy liandry because the flat mpen and % mpen scale extremely well together and the ticks from liandry are a bonus on top of that. The strong slow and increased liandry DoT you get through rilay is no joke but the spike you get from the cheaper and more damaging voidstaff overshadows that especially since everyone is buying tons of mr in the form of mercs, visage and locket currently.
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On a mid Brand maybe, but as a support brand you are typically looking to be more utile before looking to be doing lots of damage
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so LMQ gonna rape @ clg camp and what time from now it will start?
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Rylais makes it so you can land all your spells in succession since the important part of his kit is skill shots (q stun and w damage). I don't think void will be that useful early on until you have more utility. Also Rylai's slow is only 15% except for his q and e aoe effect, not a full 35%, even with the passive.
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