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Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 05 2014 17:30 GMT
#3261
On January 06 2014 02:28 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 02:23 Sponkz wrote:
On January 06 2014 00:58 Ketara wrote:
We've been discussing support Brand in TROLLS. So far since we've tried it we pretty much think Annie is better. We're probably gonna try it some more though.

The key thing is Brand can't really initiate fights later in the game, Annie can. Brands 'potential' feels higher on paper but ehhhhh.

The proposed build is Talisman Sightstone Rylai Liandry. Brand doesn't need AP to do damage, all he needs is Rylai/Liandry and some means of getting to 40% CDR for more stuns.



Annie shouldn't be initiating fights later on, Brand's way of CC is much more suited for a support than Annie. Tibbers initiate is OK if you're playing her mid and are stupidly fed, but in ideal situations you want to use it for peeling.

lol


i resonate this sentiment
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 05 2014 17:31 GMT
#3262
On January 06 2014 02:25 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 02:23 Sponkz wrote:
On January 06 2014 00:58 Ketara wrote:
We've been discussing support Brand in TROLLS. So far since we've tried it we pretty much think Annie is better. We're probably gonna try it some more though.

The key thing is Brand can't really initiate fights later in the game, Annie can. Brands 'potential' feels higher on paper but ehhhhh.

The proposed build is Talisman Sightstone Rylai Liandry. Brand doesn't need AP to do damage, all he needs is Rylai/Liandry and some means of getting to 40% CDR for more stuns.



Annie shouldn't be initiating fights later on, Brand's way of CC is much more suited for a support than Annie. Tibbers initiate is OK if you're playing her mid and are stupidly fed, but in ideal situations you want to use it for peeling.


You dont have to peel anything when you stun 3/4 people with Tibbers and they die before the stuns wears off.
Annie stun is point and click, Brand is a skillshot, how is that more suited?



Given ideal situations where you hit 3-4 it's worth it, but if you are, you should be either burning flash or you're playing against god-awful people.


Brand's way of stun is much more controlled than Annie, given she needs to stack up her passive before being able to stun. It's not like Brand EQ is hard to hit anyways.


On January 06 2014 02:28 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 02:23 Sponkz wrote:
On January 06 2014 00:58 Ketara wrote:
We've been discussing support Brand in TROLLS. So far since we've tried it we pretty much think Annie is better. We're probably gonna try it some more though.

The key thing is Brand can't really initiate fights later in the game, Annie can. Brands 'potential' feels higher on paper but ehhhhh.

The proposed build is Talisman Sightstone Rylai Liandry. Brand doesn't need AP to do damage, all he needs is Rylai/Liandry and some means of getting to 40% CDR for more stuns.



Annie shouldn't be initiating fights later on, Brand's way of CC is much more suited for a support than Annie. Tibbers initiate is OK if you're playing her mid and are stupidly fed, but in ideal situations you want to use it for peeling.

lol



lol
hi
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 05 2014 17:31 GMT
#3263
On January 06 2014 01:42 turdburgler wrote:
what are peoples thoughts on BotRK on champions like shen, who like the attack speed but otherwise dont really care about dmg?

Makes me miss Ionic spark tbh.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 17:35:20
January 05 2014 17:32 GMT
#3264
DAE HEART OF GOLD?!

in other news, support masteries are really really bad top lane.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 05 2014 17:41 GMT
#3265
On January 06 2014 02:32 turdburgler wrote:
DAE HEART OF GOLD?!

in other news, support masteries are really really bad top lane.

rip in peace
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 05 2014 17:43 GMT
#3266
0/5/25. support shen is real.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 05 2014 17:50 GMT
#3267
On January 06 2014 02:43 turdburgler wrote:
0/5/25. support shen is real.

man, fuck support shen. all about jangle shen.
Something awesome about coming out of jangle taunt flashing nubs.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 05 2014 17:52 GMT
#3268
On January 06 2014 02:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 02:43 turdburgler wrote:
0/5/25. support shen is real.

man, fuck support shen. all about jangle shen.
Something awesome about coming out of jangle taunt flashing nubs.

Jungle shen is sick yo, I wild the fuck out on all those jungle camps before appearing once every 2 minutes to countergank with ult.
Glorious SEA doto
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
January 05 2014 18:29 GMT
#3269
Tibbers initation is pretty much the only reason to pick annie l0l
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 05 2014 18:39 GMT
#3270
On January 06 2014 03:29 Brad` wrote:
Tibbers initation is pretty much the only reason to pick annie l0l


This is definitely false. It's not just Tibber... if it was just for the AOE stun, why not Malphite/Amumu/Sejuani support? In fact a lot of her strength comes from the pre-6 laning phase.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
January 05 2014 18:41 GMT
#3271
On January 06 2014 03:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 03:29 Brad` wrote:
Tibbers initation is pretty much the only reason to pick annie l0l


This is definitely false. It's not just Tibber... if it was just for the AOE stun, why not Malphite/Amumu/Sejuani support? In fact a lot of her strength comes from the pre-6 laning phase.

What the fuck did I just read LOL
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
January 05 2014 18:42 GMT
#3272
Annie support is strong because in the lane phase she gets her stun, walks towards you and gives you the death glare. "Go on, try to farm, I dare you."

Then after laning she has the AoE stun. q.q
Call me Sunday
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35145 Posts
January 05 2014 18:44 GMT
#3273
On January 06 2014 03:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 03:29 Brad` wrote:
Tibbers initation is pretty much the only reason to pick annie l0l


This is definitely false. It's not just Tibber... if it was just for the AOE stun, why not Malphite/Amumu/Sejuani support? In fact a lot of her strength comes from the pre-6 laning phase.

Instant point and click AOE stun. That's why.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 05 2014 18:45 GMT
#3274
On January 06 2014 03:44 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 03:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On January 06 2014 03:29 Brad` wrote:
Tibbers initation is pretty much the only reason to pick annie l0l


This is definitely false. It's not just Tibber... if it was just for the AOE stun, why not Malphite/Amumu/Sejuani support? In fact a lot of her strength comes from the pre-6 laning phase.

Instant point and click AOE stun. That's why.


It's not instant? Her Tibber has a 0.1 seconds cast time?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 05 2014 18:46 GMT
#3275
as much as i disagree with sufficiency on what he just said i really wish there was less insta put down and personal attacks when people voice unconventional opinions here ;/

so much ROFL WTF YOU RETARD from people who have never put their opinion out on the line.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 05 2014 18:47 GMT
#3276
I'm still not too enamored with Annie support. I still think Sona is better. I don't understand why all the Annie love.

I wish somebody could explain it to me. I can understand why Annie is preferred in a 2v1 lane, but not in a 2v2.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 18:53:11
January 05 2014 18:51 GMT
#3277
On January 06 2014 03:47 Ketara wrote:
I'm still not too enamored with Annie support. I still think Sona is better. I don't understand why all the Annie love.

I wish somebody could explain it to me. I can understand why Annie is preferred in a 2v1 lane, but not in a 2v2.


Because as a tradeoff for a tiny bit of sustain Annie actually has all the shit sona has by lvl 6 already starting with lvl 1...tons of dmg, AOe 1.5sec stun and 625 auto range. Her lvl 6 initiation is also not as predictable as a crescendo.

Sona's still good though just not as good as Annie.

Also if Annie is caught out of position in lane by a Blitz or Thresh hook she can actually just turn around and kill them(exception probably Leona). Sona would have to flash an run 99% of the time. Unless she had godlike harass lvl 1-3.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 05 2014 18:54 GMT
#3278
On January 06 2014 03:47 Ketara wrote:
I'm still not too enamored with Annie support. I still think Sona is better. I don't understand why all the Annie love.

I wish somebody could explain it to me. I can understand why Annie is preferred in a 2v1 lane, but not in a 2v2.

Ult is easier to hit, more range of motion.
Annie can 1v1 enemy ADC's before they get their defensive item.
Annie is much tankier, can often bait out really bad engages from enemies.
Annie can stun more than just once in a fight, can often get 2-3 key stuns in a fight, which is huge.
etc etc. annie way different than sona.
liftlift > tsm
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 05 2014 19:20 GMT
#3279
where does the "brand has bad ap ratios" myth come from. he has one of the highest overall ap ratios in the game.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 05 2014 19:27 GMT
#3280
On January 06 2014 03:47 Ketara wrote:
I'm still not too enamored with Annie support. I still think Sona is better. I don't understand why all the Annie love.

I wish somebody could explain it to me. I can understand why Annie is preferred in a 2v1 lane, but not in a 2v2.

Cause you can literally be getting dumpstered by the other bot lane and as soon as you hit 6 no matter how awful you are aslong as you can tibbers stun you can still shit on them 2v2.
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