[Patch 3.15] Yasuo General Discussion - Page 165

On January 06 2014 04:20 clickrush wrote:
where does the "brand has bad ap ratios" myth come from. he has one of the highest overall ap ratios in the game.

On January 06 2014 04:27 arb wrote:

Cause you can literally be getting dumpstered by the other bot lane and as soon as you hit 6 no matter how awful you are aslong as you can tibbers stun you can still shit on them 2v2.

On January 06 2014 04:44 sob3k wrote:


I don't think anyone says that

On January 05 2014 23:39 Dusty wrote:


because he's not good enough of a solo laner to justify putting him in one, nor does he scale with farm as well as the other ones. Put him in a duo lane as a "support", however...

also, his ap ratios are bad which is partially why he just prefers utility oriented AP items like rylai/liandry

On January 06 2014 05:31 Ketara wrote:
I think the big arguments for Brand having a possibility as support are

A - His passive lets him continue to damage without items.

and B - His ult favors fights involving more than one enemy champ.

On January 06 2014 05:45 jaybrundage wrote:
Tolkien have you tried support brand?

On January 06 2014 05:47 Swords wrote:
How does Viktor support do?

On January 06 2014 05:49 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Fairly well, actually. Long range AoE slow/stun with the augment and AoE silence makes him not terrible as a support. A tier ahead of support Brand tbh.

On January 06 2014 05:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:
While I see your point,

1) Brand passive is pretty meh without items. He still needs magic penetration items to leverage it, and thus gold. He also still needs a Rylais if he's going to contribute something other than a (let's be honest) unreliable stun. There are plenty of ways to miss it or juke it, or whatnot (and requires the target to be blazed, with requires either being E'd, which puts Brand in closeish range, or tagging a W, which loses you your main damage source). Annie gets a guaranteed stun (E is instant, R is practically instant, Q is auto-track).

2) His ulti can bounce off minions, if you blaze them too, though yes. This is a weak argument though.

Brand just needs gold too much for him to really shine as a support. Needs to hit his core items asap so he can actually transition with damage/CC (Rylais, Liandrys [optional], mana regen item [Grail, Morellos], Void/Deathcap), and being a support still means sinking gold into a sightstone+Talisman.

Also his only utility is an unreliable stun. Unless he gets Rylais, but again that's still a LATE item buy given he needs talisman+sightstone as a support.

Cassiopeia is a better support than Brand, as is Veigar, straight up.

On January 06 2014 05:51 Swords wrote:


I tried him once, but I'm not great as a support and I wasn't really sure how to play him in that position. I felt like I wasn't doing any damage at all without the death augment. What's a good adc to pair him with? And how should my masteries work?

On January 06 2014 05:55 Sufficiency wrote:


Cassiopeia has a lot of mana problems, Veigar's damage is too low and also too mana intensive. Brand's spells are actually pretty cheap considering how much damage they do.

On January 06 2014 06:09 Schwopzi wrote:
Having dodgeable non aoe cc just hurts brand too much to be a reliable support. Yes he has great damage, and I can see his laning being fine in an isolated 2v2 environment.
But outside of laning he runs into so many problems as support. Kind of the same as when he's mid but a bit worse; no mobility, zero duel potential, not tanky; just free meat when warding for basically anyone on the opposing team.
Theorycrafting on basis of having rylai's just seems silly; games tend to be decided for the better part before the support gets his first choseable item (unless you feel like lolol who needs talisman/sightstone/pinks/lens/boots).